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It seems that the emergency services and the volunteers are doing a great job in California. Everything from medication to baby wipes and everything else in between. Hopefullyits because they learned from the Katrina disaster and that its not because most of people are middle-class and white.

Hopefully Annie is okay.
Top Gear went to New Orleans in a recent episode where things are still much as they were, Clarkson remarked "I don't know how the rest of America sleeps at night" which is easy actually, the rest of America doesn't really care.
He also said that in some parts of America they are mating with vegetables. D

Moo @ Wed 24 Oct, 2007 Wrote:
It seems that the emergency services and the volunteers are doing a great job in California. Everything from medication to baby wipes and everything else in between. Hopefullyits because they learned from the Katrina disaster and that its not because most of people are middle-class and white.

Hopefully Annie is okay.


its a little of everything rambo ( gov schwarzennegger) was on the ball early asking for help from the feds not like the governer of loiuseinna who sat on her ass in baton rugue for a week before going to the administation for help .and they have streamlined the red tape which was a considerable handicap in new orleans . we learn from mistakes there had been nothing of this magnitude to test the system until katrina .everything from now on will be a little more efficent

JohnA @ Wed 24 Oct, 2007 1:32 pm Wrote:
its a little of everything rambo ( gov schwarzennegger) was on the ball early asking for help from the feds not like the governer of loiuseinna who sat on her ass in baton rugue for a week before going to the administation for help .and they have streamlined the red tape which was a considerable handicap in new orleans . we learn from mistakes there had been nothing of this magnitude to test the system until katrina .everything from now on will be a little more efficent


Not a bad point except that Clarkson was visiting how much later and observing neighborhoods that were just left to rot?

What happened before and during the disaster was certainly bad but the lack of real effort to clean up and rebuild rapidly afterwards was probably more what Clarkson was commenting on.

For the world's richest, most powerful nation, it was a shocking reminder to the rest of the world that some are indeed more equal than others, despite the Bill of Rights.

That was an excellent episode of Top Gear. D

I don't think that the LAPD have got road blocks stopping folk from Malibu trying to get to Los Angeles though John, as happened with Gretna police in Hurricane Katrina.

Haven't been to NO recently but did see some of the Mississippi coastline this summer that still looks like the hurricane happened last week.
Yeah I'm Ok, just dealing with my pal and his 33' RV which wiped out half the neighbourhood. I hear San Diego city put together the rescue stuff in that area. The Red Cross were too stretched to help. It's bloody scary, those winds will end up here soon.
Eastend boy I saw that top gear show as well. To tell you the truth I wonder how people sleep at night when I travelled through parts of the south. Sometimes resembles a third word country, rather than the most powerful country in the world.
Having said that I remember driving to some Northern towns in the UK and thinking the same.

dianey @ Wed 24 Oct, 2007 Wrote:
That was an excellent episode of Top Gear. :D

I don't think that the LAPD have got road blocks stopping folk from Malibu trying to get to Los Angeles though John, as happened with Gretna police in Hurricane Katrina.


Funny you should mention that, I have been following that story and unlike california where schurzenegger took complete control ,the governor of luisianna ( blanco dem ) just let everything ride resulting in the terrible display of *brotherhood * that came from the gretna authorities and it cost her her career she choose not to run again and the republicans took control of the state last month


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however i agree there is enough *guilty* to go around to tar everybody in the katrina incident .

latest in the story .



http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/i...5182153210 .xml&coll=1


sentence from articule that is of particular importance



Jindal ran for governor four years ago but lost to Kathleen Blanco after the state's most conservative region voted for the white Democrat over the brown-skinned Republican. Then came Hurricane Katrina. ****Blanco's hapless response ****destroyed her career, and she chose not to seek re-election




http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr...FlZUVFeXky

trying not to be to cynical Moo I hope they have learnt something from Katrina and its nothing to do with colour of your skin, after all cali does have a very high hispanic population.

After all once bitten twice shy as the saying goes lol
The worst part about Hurricane Katrina is the length of time it has taken to rebuild.

That's no one's fault but the Federal Government, from FEMA through to other governmental agencies that held up needed money and bogged things down in more red tape than was necessary.

The smart thing to do would have been to have issued fractions of money to people almost immediately, so they could begin to rebuild their homes and feel that there was hope where they had once lived.

Because FEMA insisted on lengthy application processes and held up the needed funds, most simply opted to abandon what they once had and settled elsewhere.

A cynical person might think it was done deliberately - a no-kill ethnic cleansing perhaps?

pilgrim_007 @ Sat 03 Nov, 2007 Wrote:
The worst part about Hurricane Katrina is the length of time it has taken to rebuild.

That's no one's fault but the Federal Government, from FEMA through to other governmental agencies that held up needed money and bogged things down in more red tape than was necessary.

The smart thing to do would have been to have issued fractions of money to people almost immediately, so they could begin to rebuild their homes and feel that there was hope where they had once lived.

the red tape spills over to the local administation as well . many procedures have to be completed before a home can be rebuilt authorized by the local governing body,insurance companies etc FEMA just cant give a citizen a check just because they asked and said they own a property .

IF they did and gave away money to un authorized persons you would then condemm then for wasting tax payers money .

already we are hearing of millions of dollars wasted by that agency , every agency from the local city Government to fema holds some responsiblity for what happened after katrina FEMA like ALL other govt agencies is stiffled by red tape and is inefficently run .

For instance the situation with the mobil homes was they could NOT be taken to new orleans and issued to the homeless because of LOCAL ordinances restricting their storage ,use, and transportation.

there is always two sides to the story and inexperiance ,inefficency . red tape , etc was the main reason beninds the disgrace of katrina .

while i agree with you the FEDS didnt help the situation there is enought blame to go around to all the administations involved .

*** See storys about the bridge and the outgoing governor in prevoius posts***

dont lets have more govt agency . as in national health care wasting more tax payers money and resourses
the private commercial situation with health care leaves much to be desired .but dont lets replace it with one that will be just as horrible

Fact is that a Federal agency (Army Engineers) built the levees that failed and also said they would withstand a hurricane, which obviously they did not.

Good luck pinning that one on the local authorities.

There is also a Federally built man-made channel through the area which the locals never particularly trusted and led to the St. Bernards parish being inundated with water. They are now pushing to have it filled in and who can blame them?

pilgrim_007 @ Thu 08 Nov, 2007 Wrote:
Fact is that a Federal agency (Army Engineers) built the levees that failed and also said they would withstand a hurricane, which obviously they did not.

Good luck pinning that one on the local authorities.

There is also a Federally built man-made channel through the area which the locals never particularly trusted and led to the St. Bernards parish being inundated with water. They are now pushing to have it filled in and who can blame them?


MARK your missing my point
the tunnel was built years ago by which administration ??? im not supporting the failing of the feds on this but the leevees or the tunnel were not built by bush or his cronies but as bad as the administation is you can hardly put all Of the blame on him ... i just like to be fair and balanced , *bush* has a lot to answer for but not for building inefficent levees


sure the leavees were built by the feds (about 20 years ago i think ) and they never did what they were built for just another govt screwed up job .

never said the leeves were the local authoriies responsibility its much more complicated than that, if the leeves hadnt broken down it wouldnt have happened true .that can be said for a lot of accidents disasters etc ..
The leevees were not mantained either for many years and all concerned thought they would with hold a major hurricane .

THE list of bad constuction ,ill advised decisions ,and failed policy on the part of our democratic elected leaders ( LOL) goes on and on , the list didnt start with bush and it wont end with him .

all the more evidence for my belief that the govt has to much power . and should be curtailed giving more power back to the people

The buck stops with Bush - he's the President. He appoints the heads of these Federal organizations and therefore their failures are his. Simple as that.

If he doesn't want to be branded as a failure, then perhaps he needs to think about who he appoints to represent him. The horse showman as FEMA head was catastrophic and those in New Orleans paid quite a price for Bush owing someone a favour.

Sure, all Presidents regardless of party are subject to cronyism but Bush has really taken it to new heights and when he gets found out, as he has quite often during his Presidency, it reflects even more badly on him than say if Clinton had done the same.

As for government having too much power - it's only got worse under Bush. What kind of Republicanism is that anyway?
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