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Apparently they didn't just throw the heads on the dance floor, they quoted the scriptures.

East17, gie us your view, how can God defend a drug baron against another to the point of decapitating the enemy?

For thousands of years humans have ben killing each other in the name of god . why should these crimes be any differant ,

they say it was in gods name how do you know it was,nt ??? he is almighty and doesnt answer to any of us for the things he does .



Those that want me to believe have to eccept that he is in control of everything after all they tell me he is omnipotent ,omnipresent and omniiscent .
So it he knows about it ,sees it ,and has the power to stop it ,and does,nt so he is as reponsible of the action as they are .

OH i forget he is only reponsible for the good things .....

I guess it beats dancing around your handbags.. shock

I didn't see anywhere that they quoted the scriptures. That said, it doesn't follow that it was indeed "divine Justice". There was nothing divine about that.

Also, John, anyone can say or do anything "in the name of God" but that doesn't mean that God approves.

So..... I write this in the name of the omnipresent JohnA.
Amen.

Of course anyone can do anything and say its in gods name but that doesnt mean it is .. i agree . nobody knows as god doesnt ask or tell us before he acts, he has never spoken or written a word .

why cant it be just as true that the person who says god told him to do a ( bad deed ) is as in touch with god as the person who does a (good deed ) what believers WANT god to be is not nesasarily what he is ..


but the thing is if somebody does something ( bad for the want of a better word ) believers insist it isnt gods will .

but it the act done is ( good ) then believers insist its gods will .
cant have it both ways .

If he sees all knows about all and is reponsible for all he must then logically be as reponsiible for the bad as the good

I agree. God has to be responsible for the beauty and beast of all things, also, I really don't believe he talks to anyone. Religion has used this "word of God" idea to enslave, kill and prosecute people throughout centuries.

You are all forgetting one thing. If you believe in the existence of God (ie "good"), then you must believe in the existence of Satan (ie "evil"). God is responsible for all that is good and Satan is responsible for all that is evil. If you don't believe in one, you cannot believe in the other.

Atheists must, therefore, when entering into a discussion such as this, acknowledge that there are two sides to the coin. Don't discuss a "mythical god" with a Christian without also discussing an equally mythical devil.

God doesn't "make" bad things happen, nor does he "allow" bad things to happen. People do that, all by themselves, with help from that little devil on their shoulders.

How is that? Well.... let's take a controversial topic for argument - ie cancer. A disease which has taken members of my own family and has threatened the lives of friends. What causes cancer? We do not entirely know but we do know that the threat of cancer is increased by what people have done to the environment and what people have done to their food and what people put into their bodies.

Look at the world and its people on a global scale and across thousands of years of history and you will see that an individual can be harmed as a result of the doings of many thousands of other people. If you believe in God, you will know that God allows people to choose for themselves. He tells us through the Bible what he would like us to do, he tells us what could happen if we don't do it, yet out of those things we pick and choose what we will or will not do, we put our own interpretation on them and what happens? We pollute the earth and we get sick.

Satan is pleased to see people do their own thing and end up hurting each other, and encourages it by making things which harm us desirable. It is not "God" who tells people to do evil things, it is Satan saying "tell them God told you to do it".

If you saw Rush Limbaugh pontificating on CBS news last night, you will have heard him say that Osama and his brand of Muslims want to "change our way of life" and "make us believe in their religion" or whatever. Wasn't that exactly what Richard I was doing in the crusades? Isn't it what the western world has been doing to other people for hundreds of years, in the name of Christianity? Isn't this just payback 800 years later?

We think we have learned that we were wrong to forcibly change people's ways of life and we wonder why others have not learned this same lesson. GWB is fond of telling us that our enemies are out to destroy our freedom adn our way of life, yet a minute later he is proud to tell how he is imposing a perhaps unwanted freedom on Iraq and destroying their way of life.

Mankind will not learn from its mistakes unless mankind learns from all of them across the globe and across time. One day in the future (if we don't destroy our own future by global warming or something) the people of this planet will finally recognise that there is but one god and that his way is better than the devil's way. And before you jump down my throat - I am not saying which god that is - only that like a good parent, this god wants what is best for this god's children. That is you, whether you like it or not and whether you believe it or not. Think about it.

And in case you were wondering where all this came from.....
god told me to write it.

;)

Unless you are Jewish. 8)

Very well said, kentgirl, you just about eliminated the need for me to post.

The history of this kind of phenomenon is as old as mankind. Satan, in the guise of the snake, told Eve she could eat the apple by paraphrasing God's words and giving her the belief he could eat it. The world's first and last scam artist.

There's plenty of scripture that teaches us not to judge one another, and plenty that states God is not evil (in him is no darkness at all, 1st John 1:5) to back up what kentgirl has said. And finally, the two commandments Jesus Christ, who is meant to be Lord for any Christian, gave his followers, were both to LOVE.

Killing someone is not love.

I do not for 1 second subscribe to the belief that if there is a God there must be satan, I am sorry but we just do not understand enough to say that. It is definitely not part of my belief structure, which is just as valid as anyone elses.

Believe what you will. But from a Christian standpoint, which again is the original context of the thread, both exist. And it was definitely the adversary who was communicating with these murderers.

Oh dear ;)

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