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They got him at last mrgreen
It's a shame they took this long. There are not many hiding places for an arse like this. Thought with all the extra security etc he should have been fingered ages ago.
I think they knew where to find him but his people run the towns, lock, stock, councils, and police forces. They didn't want another Waco.
"Polygamy is illegal in the US, but the authorities have reportedly been reluctant to confront the FLDS for fear of sparking a tragedy similar to the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas, which led to the deaths of around 80 members"

This and the authorities don't want to upset other fundamentalist groups and the fruitier end of the gun owning community.

Rob S @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 Wrote:
"Polygamy is illegal in the US, but the authorities have reportedly been reluctant to confront the FLDS for fear of sparking a tragedy similar to the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas, which led to the deaths of around 80 members"

This and the authorities don't want to upset other fundamentalist groups and the fruitier end of the gun owning community.


You know ROB i want him cought as much as you do but if as you suggest another waco situation would have arizen if they hads confronted him you would have been one of the first in line to protest the administations handling of the matter .
didnt see you complain when reno killed all those fundies in waco .....

If they dont confront then you somehow relate it to the fact they own guns .. so do other criminal that we confront .

Seems with you whatever the administration does (or doesnt do) is wrong in your eyes have a little more objectivity instead of a blind rejection of everything that happens under this administration .

What are your sources John? I think there was no conclusive proof either way, as to who started things in Waco. And Reno wasn't there.

You'll be blaming Reno for the Jonestown Massacre, next.
Face it the guy is a child molester, and worse, he was splitting up families and removing young men from the compound so old men, often "decades" older could marry 13 year old girls. It's just a bunch of paedophiles, and what's with the wigs and make up, were they really just for his escape or was this just another of his foibles?
It seems all religous fundamentalists either supress the freedom of women or molest children, mind, I've yet to find anything to compare with the mullahs in one part of Iraq who under shi'ite law demanded the diapering of goats because their bare buttocks inflamed the passions of goat herders, they also "legally" killed some herders who didn't comply. roll

londonsquare @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 Wrote:
What are your sources John? I think there was no conclusive proof either way, as to who started things in Waco. And Reno wasn't there.

You'll be blaming Reno for the Jonestown Massacre, next.



Reno was attorney general she gave the orders to raid the compound . cus she wasnt there personally doesnt clear her of blame or does it .

then bush is cleared of any blame for the war in irag after all he wasnt there .

[quote="londonsquare @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006"

You'll be blaming Reno for the Jonestown Massacre, next.[/quote]




Jonestown tradegy happened in 1978 long befor reno time (carter was president ) and not on american soil there was,nt much any politican from the US could have done as the incident was not forseen , a congresman investigating abuse in the camp lost his life see below ..


http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown




Once again as with all disasters ,involvng loss of life many compiracy thoeries circulated about * who dunnut *
Different things John.

With Iraq rhey went in shooting, knowing that that was the intention from the beginning. At Waco, they were going to try to arrest a child molester from an armed fortress. There is no certainty who started the shooting. However, Koresh should have surrendered to the law, he was not in a separate country, he was an American subject, in the USA and subject to it's laws.

Iraq was not any of those things.

londonsquare @ Fri 01 Sep, 2006 Wrote:
Different things John.

With Iraq rhey went in shooting, knowing that that was the intention from the beginning. At Waco, they were going to try to arrest a child molester from an armed fortress. There is no certainty who started the shooting. However, Koresh should have surrendered to the law, he was not in a separate country, he was an American subject, in the USA and subject to it's laws.

Iraq was not any of those things.


No way in my post did i suggest the koresh was in a differant country .your mixing jones /with koresh

and he like jeffs should have surrended agreed

he could have been picked up when he left the compound to go to the local village , they failed to do tyhat so they stormed the compound instead where it WAS know there where women and children . whoever shot first is inmaterial IF THE STORM troopers were not there it would never have happened .
Both were accused of the same type of crime . the actions by the administations to bring them to justice were differant in each case . no where is there evidence that the police where going to raid his fortress where innocent women and children were know to be living .

In both cases the jeffs / koresh the accused and thier cohorts where heavily armed ,cases are very very similar both were in defiance of the law accused crime commited was the same and danger to innocent persons was a consideration .

administation action was clearly differant .

What if Koresh had been an American indian on a reservation? That's a separate, sovereign nation.

I think Federal agents can still go in and make arrests but they also run a huge risk of (further) alienating the native Americans. The Leonard Peltier debacle comes to mind, for starters.

JohnA @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 10:21 am Wrote:

Rob S @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 Wrote:
"Polygamy is illegal in the US, but the authorities have reportedly been reluctant to confront the FLDS for fear of sparking a tragedy similar to the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas, which led to the deaths of around 80 members"

This and the authorities don't want to upset other fundamentalist groups and the fruitier end of the gun owning community.


You know ROB i want him cought as much as you do but if as you suggest another waco situation would have arizen if they hads confronted him you would have been one of the first in line to protest the administations handling of the matter .
didnt see you complain when reno killed all those fundies in waco .....


To be picky....

Rob was quoting the article, not making the suggestion himself. He was in fact questioning that avoiding another Waco were the true/only reason for the fed's reluctance to wade in. he did not make any reference to his personal feelings on whether they should have or not.

;)

Oh and now to be really pedantic.... I'm a little curious about this bit:

JohnA @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 10:21 am Wrote:
didnt see you complain when reno killed all those fundies in waco .....


Do you know Rob outside Britnet? And if not, how do you know you didn't see him complain? And even if you know for a fact you didn't see him complain, that doesn't mean he didn't. Of course there's always a chance that he was still in the UK then, and possibly not even an adult, so it may have been a little tough for him to complain in a way such that you could see. Or maybe he agreed with the action. I can't speak for him because in 1993 I was at uni in Birmingham, UK. I do recall that most Brits in the UK felt that the US govt was in the wrong, but perhaps Rob was one of the others...

:lol:

monster @ Fri 01 Sep, 2006 Wrote:

JohnA @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 10:21 am Wrote:

Rob S @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 Wrote:
"Polygamy is illegal in the US, but the authorities have reportedly been reluctant to confront the FLDS for fear of sparking a tragedy similar to the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian sect in Waco, Texas, which led to the deaths of around 80 members"

This and the authorities don't want to upset other fundamentalist groups and the fruitier end of the gun owning community.


You know ROB i want him cought as much as you do but if as you suggest another waco situation would have arizen if they hads confronted him you would have been one of the first in line to protest the administations handling of the matter .
didnt see you complain when reno killed all those fundies in waco .....


To be picky....

Rob was quoting the article, not making the suggestion himself. He was in fact questioning that avoiding another Waco were the true/only reason for the fed's reluctance to wade in. he did not make any reference to his personal feelings on whether they should have or not.

;)

Oh and now to be really pedantic.... I'm a little curious about this bit:

JohnA @ Thu 31 Aug, 2006 10:21 am Wrote:
didnt see you complain when reno killed all those fundies in waco .....


Do you know Rob outside Britnet? And if not, how do you know you didn't see him complain? And even if you know for a fact you didn't see him complain, that doesn't mean he didn't. Of course there's always a chance that he was still in the UK then, and possibly not even an adult, so it may have been a little tough for him to complain in a way such that you could see. Or maybe he agreed with the action. I can't speak for him because in 1993 I was at uni in Birmingham, UK. I do recall that most Brits in the UK felt that the US govt was in the wrong, but perhaps Rob was one of the others...

:lol:


Are you Robs spokesperson ? OR does he put his hand in your bacK and you speak but his lips dont move .

pilgrim_007 @ Fri 01 Sep, 2006 Wrote:
What if Koresh had been an American indian on a reservation? That's a separate, sovereign nation.

I think Federal agents can still go in and make arrests but they also run a huge risk of (further) alienating the native Americans. The Leonard Peltier debacle comes to mind, for starters.

Good point Mark .
like all govt action there is always afterwards a * what if *

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