Thank goodness their differences were put aside for the benefit of millions, I am glad this was done, the Israeli and Lebanese civilians are in much need of peace and unity.
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Thank goodness their differences were put aside for the benefit of millions, I am glad this was done, the Israeli and Lebanese civilians are in much need of peace and unity.
If I were Lebanese I wouldn't holdd my breath on this one.
I'm happy that France and the USA agree, lets see if Israel, Lebanon, Hizbollah, Syria and Iran buy into it.
Yeah, right. As if anyone's going to listen to them. Diplomatic hot air. Second biggest contributer to global warming.
Thank goodness their differences were put aside for the benefit of millions, I am glad this was done, the Israeli and Lebanese civilians are in much need of peace and unity.
If I were Lebanese I wouldn't holdd my breath on this one.
This is why I struggle with this whole thing of the big deal being made with France and the US agreeing. I know I asked that question on the other thread and got an explanation of why (which does make a bit of sense).
anyway, it hasn't worked so far because the headlines on Yahoo is saying that "Mideast fight ramps up despite U.N. deal".
The next step is to present the draft to the security council. If they agree, they will issue a directive. If they want a buffer force with teeth, it will have to be NATO with a Ch. 7 directive. That directive will require Hizbollah to give up it's arms
Once a directive is issued, Hizbollah and it's masters must decide whether to comply.
If Hizbollah says "No" we stay at status quo.
IMO Iran will prod Hizbollah to keep up the attack unless the USA backs off on Iran's nuclear ambitions. This is still a multi-level chess game.
Why just Hizbollah to give up its weapons? why not Israel too?
Why just Hizbollah to give up its weapons? why not Israel too?
Ben, this is the billion dollar question! You have touched the same issues I have been going over here at our house. Can you imagine the Israelis without firing power??? The U.S. will never allow that to happen.
I hope it works, Am I naive for wishing this? No, I am just a person that seeks peace . I hate to see people fighting over land, dead children and displaced people living on the streets in Beirut. I am sure Hizbollah will regroup-Taliban are doing the same, so force doesn't always work, right??
Why just Hizbollah to give up its weapons? why not Israel too?
Ben you cannot be serious. Israels Army acts on behalf of its Government. Hizbollah does not act for the country of Lebanon. Lebanon has its own army and is not part of this fight.
I think from a historical point of view as well Israel has been attacked more, than they have attacked. They do have a right for defence. This whole middle east thing is getting abit out of control. Until all countries there agree to peace, then its not going to happen.
Sad what it says about us as humans really.
Israel only exists because of western support and is a recipe for continuing conflict. It has been in almost constant war with it's neighbours since it's inception in 1948. TV news has only made more of us aware of it. Past wars have been worse. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
This latest war shows that some of it's neighbours are using proxy's rather than direct conflict. Numbers are against Israel and I don't see any UN resolutions changing the historical hatred that exists between the Arabs and the Jews.
It may ease sometime in the future when the oil in the area runs out.
As resources become more and more limited, conflict will increase.
As for them not being there. The UN was the one that bought Israel about. It was just not a western thing. As for the people it displaced, the Arab world has not been that nice to them either. And the west has not really treated the jewish race any better.
No one has got clean hands in this one. Its a shame that no one can come up with a way to really bring peace about. The fact Jews lived in the Middle east for many a year, prior to all this stuff.
People have distorted the truth and hammered it home as if fact when its not. They use this distorted view of history to promote hate and anger for their own personal gain and not for the betterment of the general population.
As resources become more and more limited, conflict will increase.
As for them not being there. The UN was the one that bought Israel about. It was just not a western thing. As for the people it displaced, the Arab world has not been that nice to them either. And the west has not really treated the jewish race any better.
No one has got clean hands in this one. Its a shame that no one can come up with a way to really bring peace about. The fact Jews lived in the Middle east for many a year, prior to all this stuff.
People have distorted the truth and hammered it home as if fact when its not. They use this distorted view of history to promote hate and anger for their own personal gain and not for the betterment of the general population.
Goose, it was a serious question I asked. I really do want to try and understand why. :???: Considering Israel wasn't supposed to have weapons in the first place?
Until moving to the US, I had never really thought about jews or what they had gone through too much. I just accepted them if I ever knew any just as I would anyone else. After moving here, their history has come up so many times that I've tried to understand why they are hated by much of the world apart from the US (I know that is a generlisation but that is how it seems at times). Why many European countries historically banned them, why England was one of the first European countries to allow them in yet they are still considered an untrusted people. Why Europe news coverage seems to appear anti-Israel even though they played a part in the forming of Israel, and why US news is so pro-Israel.
And I can't help thinking sometimes that, apart from the obvious arab/jew split and money/politics, that there is something about Jewish people that turns many people off or makes them an easy target? and, although there have been some of the most atrocious acts taken out on jewish people, and no one deserves such horrific things happen to them, a part of me wonders if there is a basis to their history and why it is Jewish people that are 'picked' on.
As resources become more and more limited, conflict will increase.
Israel has existed for almost 60 years. Oil may run out and Israel may have survived in another 60 years.
I've put together a very short history, in answer to Ben's question. There may be detail that's wrong, or interpretaion with which, you might disagree. Some of the first two paragraphs were confirmed with the, online, Nuttal Encyclopaedia.
The Semitic races peopled the Middle East. The Semitic races were thought to be the descendents of Shem and consisted of, the Jews, the Assyrians, the Chaldeans, the Syrians, the Phoenicians, and the Arabs.
They have similar languages, literature, and modes of thinking, social organization and religious belief. Just as there was tribal war around the world, they fought each other.
When the Jews spread around the Christian world, they were labelled as “Christ killers”. This was used as an excuse to keep them from many trades. Money lending was necessary, but not nice, so that was what they were forced to do. They became good at it, and that provided an additional reason to hate them, and another excuse for treating them badly. Treating them badly made them even less human so the bad treatment intensified.
While many Jews had wandered the world, many had stayed in the area of Palestine. By WW2, there had been various Arab grabs of Jewish property and some retaken. After WW2 Palestine and Egypt were administered by the British government. There was a three-way conflict going on. The Egyptians wanted the British out; the Jews formed terrorist gangs to drive the British out and set up a Jewish homeland, and the Egyptians and Arabs didn’t want the Jews to have a homeland, there.
Eventually, the UN decided that there would be a Jewish state. There were several wars with Egypt and Jordan and Syria. In which Israel had a much more effective military and kept occupation of territory, Gaza, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights.
There are several Security Council, Ch. 6 directives for Israel to remove itself from these lands but it has ignored them. There have not been any requirement for Israel to disarm; it is a sovereign nation.
There has always been discrimination against recognizable minorities, and in many instances, the Jews are/were the most recognizable minority, especially when they were forced to wear especially recognisable clothes. Recognisable minorities are always the scapegoats for ill fortune. Where they couldn’t find Jews, they invented witches etc. Some of the Evangelicals are blaming homosexuals for bad things that happen now because the Jews fit in their vision of the coming “End Days”
Good question Ben
I answer all questions based on the fact I think we should all be able to live together.
That, countries are played by power brokers. Its a magical trick that they have down to pat. Divert attention with your right hand and produce a dove with your left.
Hitler said "always tell a big lie and the people will believe you". In most cases that is true.
People, leaders will divert attention from themselves and blame various groups for their own failings. From the Crusades, WW1, WW2, the Falklands War, current middle east conflict.
Each country is failing some way, be it economically or socially. The powers don't want to lose power, other groups want said power so blame someone else.
It's all a game and we are just pawns .