07-31-2006, 08:11 PM
07-31-2006, 09:45 PM
annie @ Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:11 pm Wrote:
of South African produce, here's a link for Israel,
http://home.pacbell.net/halnet/Boycott%2...mpaign.htm
http://home.pacbell.net/halnet/Boycott%2...mpaign.htm
You can count on me!
07-31-2006, 09:56 PM
I took a look; you get information from wherever you can get it, but I feel awkward taking it from there. That is a subordinate board to Aztlan, a wildly antisemitic organization. They even have spot saying "in Vino Veritas, Mel gibson said the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" "God bless Mel Gibson for his courage"
I have taken a huge dislike for Gibson.
I have taken a huge dislike for Gibson.
07-31-2006, 11:04 PM
OK, try the following,
http//www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
http//www.bigcampaign.org/
http//stopthewall.org/worldwideactivism/1049.shtml
http//www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0405-05.htm
http//www.bubbleshare.com/album/48702/overview
http//www.monabaker.com/boycottisraeliproducts.htm
Lottsa different reasons. Mine being when you take military action which kills civilians and not the terrorists you're aiming for you have just become a terrorist. I do not support terrorists. To drop leaflets and give 3/4 of a million people 72 hours to leave an area and then bomb the roads, airports and ships they would leave on, you become a terrorist.
http//www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
http//www.bigcampaign.org/
http//stopthewall.org/worldwideactivism/1049.shtml
http//www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0405-05.htm
http//www.bubbleshare.com/album/48702/overview
http//www.monabaker.com/boycottisraeliproducts.htm
Lottsa different reasons. Mine being when you take military action which kills civilians and not the terrorists you're aiming for you have just become a terrorist. I do not support terrorists. To drop leaflets and give 3/4 of a million people 72 hours to leave an area and then bomb the roads, airports and ships they would leave on, you become a terrorist.
08-01-2006, 07:26 AM
Whilst I endorse the sentiment, I would follow uo wgat Londonsquare says and caution anyone to be wary of some of the organizations and sites out there.
A lot of the anti semitic organizations and individuals will, no doubt, want to capitalize on current events to try build legitimacy.
Some Jewish groups and the State of Israel know this and use it to attack and de-legitimize legitimate criticism of their policies and activities.
You don't want to play into the hands of either side if you have a genuine concern for human rights and the vicitms of war.
I've received a letter accusing me of anti semitism from the Israeli Embassy in London some years back and had an unfortunate run in with someone from the anti-defamation league who asserted that "any" criticism of Israeli policy was anti-semetic.
Of course, Israel is a liberal democracy and many Israeli's oppose their governments policies. Presumably they are self haters...
A lot of the anti semitic organizations and individuals will, no doubt, want to capitalize on current events to try build legitimacy.
Some Jewish groups and the State of Israel know this and use it to attack and de-legitimize legitimate criticism of their policies and activities.
You don't want to play into the hands of either side if you have a genuine concern for human rights and the vicitms of war.
I've received a letter accusing me of anti semitism from the Israeli Embassy in London some years back and had an unfortunate run in with someone from the anti-defamation league who asserted that "any" criticism of Israeli policy was anti-semetic.
Of course, Israel is a liberal democracy and many Israeli's oppose their governments policies. Presumably they are self haters...
08-01-2006, 09:35 AM
Rob S @ Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:26 am Wrote:
Whilst I endorse the sentiment, I would follow uo wgat Londonsquare says and caution anyone to be wary of some of the organizations and sites out there.
A lot of the anti semitic organizations and individuals will, no doubt, want to capitalize on current events to try build legitimacy.
Some Jewish groups and the State of Israel know this and use it to attack and de-legitimize legitimate criticism of their policies and activities.
You don't want to play into the hands of either side if you have a genuine concern for human rights and the vicitms of war.
I've received a letter accusing me of anti semitism from the Israeli Embassy in London some years back and had an unfortunate run in with someone from the anti-defamation league who asserted that "any" criticism of Israeli policy was anti-semetic.
Of course, Israel is a liberal democracy and many Israeli's oppose their governments policies. Presumably they are self haters...
A lot of the anti semitic organizations and individuals will, no doubt, want to capitalize on current events to try build legitimacy.
Some Jewish groups and the State of Israel know this and use it to attack and de-legitimize legitimate criticism of their policies and activities.
You don't want to play into the hands of either side if you have a genuine concern for human rights and the vicitms of war.
I've received a letter accusing me of anti semitism from the Israeli Embassy in London some years back and had an unfortunate run in with someone from the anti-defamation league who asserted that "any" criticism of Israeli policy was anti-semetic.
Of course, Israel is a liberal democracy and many Israeli's oppose their governments policies. Presumably they are self haters...
Rob, while I understand your point, it is up to a person to decide to support or not Israel's action. If the government of Israel cannot accept criticism too bad, boo hoo! They need to grow up! I don't care if their beef is legitimate at this point.. Like Anne said, they have become just as bad as Hizbollah. The legitimacy of this is that INNOCENT CHILDREN HAVE DIED IN QANA, those of you who have children out there: consider yourselves lucky today and when you tuck your baby in bed tonight , just remember that 37 children won't be able to have that, NEVER AGAIN. This is a legitimate concern! And I hope Koffi Annan will conduct this investigation and we should find out the truth soon, if the Israelis are found guilty of war crime (which Hizbollah also should be just as guilty) then I want to see this so called anti-defamation league go after the UN!
If you think this isn't a legitimate concern just go to the Telegraph web site and take a look on those photos again, a poor little two year old dead on his pajamas. Give me a break! I think the U.S. and the U.K. will pay a heavy price with the International communtiy for siding with the Israelis on this one.
Oh, maybe the anti-def will consider me a self-hater! I think (tell me if I am wrong Annie) Annie's idea was to boycott the products made by Israel, not to follow any organization out there.
08-01-2006, 09:57 AM
Posh, I'm sorry if my ramblings were not clear.
I have been a human rights campaigner all my adult life. It is fair to say that I was not just some random individual whom the Isreali embassy in London chose to write to and also that they receive so much mail, I suspect you really have to get under their skin to warrant a response.
My point is that there are a lot of anti-semetic groups out there, such as Neo-Nazis, who will try to exploit current events to further their cause. Personally I have no desire to be associated with such people.
I therefore choose those organizations who I support carefully. Typically Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, ICRC and also some more overtly political.
Trust me, I am not worried about offending the Israeli government, but I also do not want them to dismiss my protests by labelling me as a anti-semite or neo-nazi because I signed my name to the wrong petition or pick the wrong bumper sticker.
I don't oppose a boycott of Israeli produce
I have been a human rights campaigner all my adult life. It is fair to say that I was not just some random individual whom the Isreali embassy in London chose to write to and also that they receive so much mail, I suspect you really have to get under their skin to warrant a response.
My point is that there are a lot of anti-semetic groups out there, such as Neo-Nazis, who will try to exploit current events to further their cause. Personally I have no desire to be associated with such people.
I therefore choose those organizations who I support carefully. Typically Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, ICRC and also some more overtly political.
Trust me, I am not worried about offending the Israeli government, but I also do not want them to dismiss my protests by labelling me as a anti-semite or neo-nazi because I signed my name to the wrong petition or pick the wrong bumper sticker.
I don't oppose a boycott of Israeli produce
08-01-2006, 10:06 AM
Rob S @ Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:57 pm Wrote:
Posh, I'm sorry if my ramblings were not clear.
I have been a human rights campaigner all my adult life. It is fair to say that I was not just some random individual whom the Isreali embassy in London chose to write to and also that they receive so much mail, I suspect you really have to get under their skin to warrant a response.
My point is that there are a lot of anti-semetic groups out there, such as Neo-Nazis, who will try to exploit current events to further their cause. Personally I have no desire to be associated with such people.
I therefore choose those organizations who I support carefully. Typically Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, ICRC and also some more overtly political.
Trust me, I am not worried about offending the Israeli government, but I also do not want them to dismiss my protests by labelling me as a anti-semite or neo-nazi because I signed my name to the wrong petition or pick the wrong bumper sticker.
I don't oppose a boycott of Israeli produce
I have been a human rights campaigner all my adult life. It is fair to say that I was not just some random individual whom the Isreali embassy in London chose to write to and also that they receive so much mail, I suspect you really have to get under their skin to warrant a response.
My point is that there are a lot of anti-semetic groups out there, such as Neo-Nazis, who will try to exploit current events to further their cause. Personally I have no desire to be associated with such people.
I therefore choose those organizations who I support carefully. Typically Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, ICRC and also some more overtly political.
Trust me, I am not worried about offending the Israeli government, but I also do not want them to dismiss my protests by labelling me as a anti-semite or neo-nazi because I signed my name to the wrong petition or pick the wrong bumper sticker.
I don't oppose a boycott of Israeli produce
Yes, I can see that someone can pick-up the wrong bumper sticker :wink: I usually go with the Human Rights Watch and they are going to conduct an investigation on this matter. And I agree with you, if anyone out there is going to support a particular group, better be careful, can't imagine the pain of having to deal with these guys and be labeled as racist.
08-01-2006, 10:47 AM
Well apart from not being really awake at the mo, first coffee coursing it's way thru the system, I'm not anti semitic. If anything I miss the W.I. Just a bunch of women, without any religious faith(and a lot haven't) who like making jam and calendars and have understood the only way a government takes note is thru it's economy.
I'm with posh on this, I can't bear the way the children are being killed. Also I think Ehud Olmert is literally trying to , how do you guys say, make his bones, prove himself to be a man who takes no truck from anyone. He was suss when he came to the position, he's doubted by his own country, and his arrogance has always apalled me. One Jewish life seems to be worth 30 Lebanese childrens lives.
Chosen the Jews maybe, but chosen by who?
Hell, even Condi looked ashamed to be speaking in his favour. And that woman doesn't have too many expressions. Shame was a new one, and duly noted.
I'm with posh on this, I can't bear the way the children are being killed. Also I think Ehud Olmert is literally trying to , how do you guys say, make his bones, prove himself to be a man who takes no truck from anyone. He was suss when he came to the position, he's doubted by his own country, and his arrogance has always apalled me. One Jewish life seems to be worth 30 Lebanese childrens lives.
Chosen the Jews maybe, but chosen by who?
Hell, even Condi looked ashamed to be speaking in his favour. And that woman doesn't have too many expressions. Shame was a new one, and duly noted.
08-01-2006, 11:44 AM
That's a lot of companies to boycott - if you listed the products that they are responsible for, folks would have to do without quite a bit.
Not that they couldn't but it would be quite the juggling act on grocery trips or Saturday mooches round the mall - not to mention avoiding Intel products which are in millions of computers and even Apple Macs now!
Probably not as politically correct but what if Americans simply began donating money en masse to charities that supported people in Paestine or Lebanon? Imagine the shock-waves that would generate.......
Not that they couldn't but it would be quite the juggling act on grocery trips or Saturday mooches round the mall - not to mention avoiding Intel products which are in millions of computers and even Apple Macs now!
Probably not as politically correct but what if Americans simply began donating money en masse to charities that supported people in Paestine or Lebanon? Imagine the shock-waves that would generate.......
08-01-2006, 12:15 PM
I want to clarify my position. I am appalled at the killing of civilians, anywhere, by anybody. I was a London schoolboy through WW2, so I Know what it is like to hear the sirens, the bombs, and the ack-ack guns; and to go to school looking to see if any buildings are gone along the way to school; and then looking to see if anyone is missing from class.
Information is information, it can't be contaminated by it's source; it just felt that way because of the blatant anti-semitism of that site. Looking back, I should have seen that I felt contaminated by the site, not the information.
We, The "coalition of the [strike]coerced[/strike] willing", have meted out death to civilians in greater proportion in Afganistan and Iraq than Israel in Lebanon; but if you want the worst examples, look to the bombing of German cities by the Allies in WW2.
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
I think we cannot avoid all of those companies, but we could minimize the buying. The main thing about a boycott, is to let them know we are doing it, and what are our criteria for lifting the boycott.
Information is information, it can't be contaminated by it's source; it just felt that way because of the blatant anti-semitism of that site. Looking back, I should have seen that I felt contaminated by the site, not the information.
We, The "coalition of the [strike]coerced[/strike] willing", have meted out death to civilians in greater proportion in Afganistan and Iraq than Israel in Lebanon; but if you want the worst examples, look to the bombing of German cities by the Allies in WW2.
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
I think we cannot avoid all of those companies, but we could minimize the buying. The main thing about a boycott, is to let them know we are doing it, and what are our criteria for lifting the boycott.
08-01-2006, 01:25 PM
I may have inadvertently opened a hornets nest here. Just to be clear I'm not accusing anyone here of being an anti semite, and certainly not for wanting to boycott Israeli goods or for being appalled by what is happening.
Posh, I too saw the pictures in the Daily Telegraph and, quite frankly, wished I hadn't. (Parenthood has made me much more sensitive to such things).
Pilgrim - I'd be careful about donating money to charities supporting Palestine and Lebanon. Stick with the mainstreams ones. Unfortunately the US decided many of the others provide support to terrorism, even if the funds go to such innocuous items as school books. Said charities have their banking activities monitored and any deposits attract the unwanted (and unwarranted) attention of the FBI.
Meanwhile, read this for fun
http//www.peterlance.com/harryellen.htm#HAMAS
Posh, I too saw the pictures in the Daily Telegraph and, quite frankly, wished I hadn't. (Parenthood has made me much more sensitive to such things).
Pilgrim - I'd be careful about donating money to charities supporting Palestine and Lebanon. Stick with the mainstreams ones. Unfortunately the US decided many of the others provide support to terrorism, even if the funds go to such innocuous items as school books. Said charities have their banking activities monitored and any deposits attract the unwanted (and unwarranted) attention of the FBI.
Meanwhile, read this for fun
http//www.peterlance.com/harryellen.htm#HAMAS
08-01-2006, 01:35 PM
Pilgrim, I second Rob's warning on charities. Unless you want to get a look at Guantanamo, stick with the big names. I do, except I don't give to Red Cross.
08-01-2006, 02:18 PM
Thanks. I don't support any charities based in the US to be honest for various reasons but was playing devil's advocate.
I'm sure the FBI do investigate things like that - they are an instrument of the powers that be, in the same way that IRS audits often befall other 'enemies of the state', such as peace protestors or outspoken celebrities.
Shame the FBI is not so good at actually solving real crimes - as a state secret police, they do a much better job.
wink
I'm sure the FBI do investigate things like that - they are an instrument of the powers that be, in the same way that IRS audits often befall other 'enemies of the state', such as peace protestors or outspoken celebrities.
Shame the FBI is not so good at actually solving real crimes - as a state secret police, they do a much better job.
wink
08-01-2006, 06:51 PM
Rob and Londonsquare, I clearly understood your points and there isn't an ounce in my body that thinks the opposite, believe me! Rob, I did you see the photos before I told you? Sorry if the photos offended you in any way, I actually was not expecting to see them either, but the Telegraph had it on front page and once you click to read the story, worse one's were included and hence my distress at this situation- I cried so much and had a very disturbed night.
I believe that Condi was deeply ashamed of it all, but she fell short on calling on an immediate cease fire, I don't know if she has kids, but if she has, I cannot understand how come this war is still going on. We all need to put pressure on the government by writing and explaining that violence-on both sides- must stop for everyone's sake.
I believe that Condi was deeply ashamed of it all, but she fell short on calling on an immediate cease fire, I don't know if she has kids, but if she has, I cannot understand how come this war is still going on. We all need to put pressure on the government by writing and explaining that violence-on both sides- must stop for everyone's sake.
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