But do words really not hurt?
I was reading Zidane's answer to why he headbutted the Italian which gave him his red card. It brought back a question that I have long had regarding violence.
I'm sure many of us are against violence. I know I am. But is there a time where violence is acceptable? Is there a point where you could turn a blind eye to a punch when you know that the person receiving it had been verbally out of order and therefore deserved what was coming to him/her.
And I say him and her for a reason. I had a 'friend' in the UK who verbally abused her husband for years. The next thing I know I am hearing her telling everyone that her husband hit her. Even though I never saw it myself, she did actually have a black eye to prove it. However, I found it very difficult to feel sorry for her. I don't agree with any type of violence but that nagging doubt kept coming back of 'did she deserve it for all the abuse she gave him over the years'.
Do we as a society place enough importance on the hurt some words can cause?
Words = emotional hurt, Violence = physical hurt.
The only hurt acceptable in my book is self-defence. Can physical hurt be considered self-defence against emotonal hurt?
Words cause emotional damage that doesn't show and therefore is discounted. Teachers used to humiliate pupils in order to control class, I'm under the impression they stopped that. They being the powers that be.
The pen is mightier than the sword. Words are very damaging, especially to children.
Myself, having lived here 15 years, am nearer to buying a gun than I've ever been. You can't argue with a mugger or a moron and the place seems populated by a younger generation of 'give me I deserve' brats.
Violence should never be tolerated, but then again, you insult me and I run out of words, prepare to meet the end of my shotgun!
Can physical hurt be considered self-defence against emotonal hurt?
YES! regrettably so but definitely YES.
I'm generally against violence, but I'll only tell someone to shut the hell up so many times before they hit the floor...luck that it hasn't happened since school though I did almost punch my neighbours lights out for a different reason...
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The only hurt acceptable in my book is self-defence. Can physical hurt be considered self-defence against emotonal hurt?
I think so. Think of the scenario that an adult physically hurts your children. You are not physically hurt, you're emotionally hurt. But you sure as hell want to physically hurt that person don't you?
Emotional hurt can last a lot longer than physical hurt does (I'm talking about words v. a quick headbutt) I'm sure that the Italian can't feel the headbutt to his chest anymore but Zidane can still hear those words said to him.
This is a subject, dear to my heart. I have always had a high threshhold for physical pain and, early on, a low one for mental pain. It was not the insult itself, but the desire to hurt that lies behind it, that bothers.
Lest I sound too lame, I did learn to consider the source, and to smile pityingly in their faces, it seems to work like a mirror and send the insult back, it says, "I am much too strong for your puny barbs."
When I was at school, I punched a few people in frustration because they kept belittling me; but the adults didn't understand and trotted out the sticks and stones bit. Everything was "stiff upper lip".
A large amount of the bullying that goes on in schools and workplaces is mental, although some is manifested physically, it is also an attack on self-esteem. The physical hurt is minor, the humiliation is damaging. If authorities want to prevent hurt, they need to protect from mental as well as physical attack, and they need to apply it even handedly, failure to do so can lead to the bullied feeling that there is no relief in sight, and on to desparate and suicidal attacks on schoolmates and workmates.
Violence is never justified except in self defence ( against violance ) and restaint (to curtial vialence )
Having siad that the human is a violent creature and it transends all nations , religions time and sex .
Words as was pointed out can do much more damage than physical confrontation but unfortunatly many of us are not capable or using the right words in the right content to hurt an opponant more then he /she hurts us and the weaker resort to violence .
Some use violence for violence sake making some excuse of a percieved unjustice in ages past as a justification .
most of us have witnesses or beeen the subject of or perpetrator of violence sometime or other in out lives .
it amazed me when i was in a jury pool of about 20 people when the question was asked of us *how many of you have witnessed or been part of a violent act * about 40 poeple put up there hands quite a substancial amount .
In the US violence is portrayed in films as a salution to a problem where the ( goodies ) kill all the ( badies ) and this seems to be how govts legal or otherwise react to a problem of a idea , interest , religion , opinion that is alien to them and is percieved to be a danger to there existance .
words althought they can hurt more are sometimes taken out of content and the meaning exacerated to cus grief suffering and hurt . whereas a blow /shot /strike to another can only be taken one way .. to hurt, maim or kill the subject .
Thats the danger of words they be quite harmless in meaning but taken wrong ,twisted to prove a point, or repeated in a hateful way unsted of just being IGNORED
words are offense if you want them to be, Violence always is .
very sorry and all that, but if someone insulted my mother and sister I would rip their arm off and beat them to death with it.
very sorry and all that, but if someone insulted my mother and sister I would rip their arm off and beat them to death with it.
Yes a honest answer :-) but dont you think thats reather primitive we are never gonna grow as humans if our reaction to a *uttered *hurt is always to be violence ??
i do see your humour mate just feeding the thread
very sorry and all that, but if someone insulted my mother and sister I would rip their arm off and beat them to death with it.
Yes a honest answer :-) but dont you think thats reather primitive we are never gonna grow as humans if our reaction to a *uttered *hurt is always to be violence ??
i do see your humour mate just feeding the thread
do me a favour, John, if someone is damaging me, I have the right, or at least ,the need to stop them. Your distinction is artificial. Its like saying that you must only retaliate in kind, so if someone comes at you with a knife, you mustn't use a gun to stop them, only another knife.
Dianey had it best:
Emotional hurt can last a lot longer than physical hurt does (I'm talking about words v. a quick headbutt) I'm sure that the Italian can't feel the headbutt to his chest anymore but Zidane can still hear those words said to him."
do me a favour, John, if someone is damaging me, I have the right, or at least ,the need to stop them. Your distinction is artificial. Its like saying that you must only retaliate in kind, so if someone comes at you with a knife, you mustn't use a gun to stop them, only another knife.
I dont think i said that .
if somedoby is attacking you with whatever means you have to use whatever force is neccasary to restain them ..
dont think i said otherwise why would it be neccasary to resort to* physical force* to make somebody stop and desist somebody who is calling you names .. thats what we ahve laws for .
to resort to force punching somebody out thats just exculating the wrong .
Bollox...I would still kick the sh*t out of them....Ooooerr, aren't I primitive.
[quote="eastendboy @ Thu 13 Jul, 2006"]very sorry and all that, but if someone insulted my mother and sister I would rip their arm off and beat them to death with it.
We don't know for sure that he did insult his mother and sister. Perhaps that was his excuse for doing the head butt. Think about that too.