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Mark Kermode wrote an interesting piece in The Observer on Sunday about sex in mainstream films. Kermode wrote about a number of films aired at the Cannes Film Festival this year that featured quite explicit sex scenes. He says that this sort of cinema has become extremely hip amongst the film cognoscenti. As he puts it, “Over the past few years, Cannes developed a reputation for championing porno chic, much of it thoroughly meretricious.” He then lists 4 or 5 films that feature graphic scenes, yet despite being pretty poor cinematically (I’ve seen one or two and they weren’t very good at all) they got rapturous applause from critics evidently hoping to seem daring and edgy. Kermode’s point is that it won’t be too long before A-list Hollywood stars “perform actual sex acts on screen.” He believes this won’t convey graphic sex (as Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie did in Don’t Look Now without actually doing it) but will just leave the spectacle of a famous person having sex on screen – character and plot “momentarily destroyed.”

Do you think this is an inevitable step? Will it become fairly normal within the next decade to see actors going the extra mile? Or do you think that there is already far too much sex in movies as it is?

Personally I hope not. Filming actors having sex “in character” doesn’t really strike me as acting. I’m not convinced that there is any plot-line that demands that graphic sex must be in a movie - that isn’t porn obviously. Quite often I find that nudity is used far too often in a movie for no apparent reason – though usually as a means to attract people to a movie rather than create a fuller character or story. For example, Halle Berry sitting topless reading a magazine in Swordfish seemed laughably silly to me. It seemed such an odd choice too considering that most young actresses that make it big tend to keep their clothes on once they are recognized for their acting. Instead Berry finally got recognition and then bared herself seemingly because people kept asking. And nudity is such an odd one way street – yes you can see all of her, no you can’t see any of him. The worst sex-on-camera for me was Vincent Gallo convincing Chloe Sevigny to blow him on camera for Brown Bunny. I imagine if it weren’t such a truly terrible film that it might have made more sense. Instead, from what Sevigny and Gallo (idiot that he is) have said since, it was a terrible idiotic mistake for her, and for Gallo it is just a reason to gloat. Besides, to me sexiness isn’t conveyed necessarily by nudity, and even less so by showing a character actually having sex. Sophia Lauren conveyed sex appeal like no-one else I’ve ever seen, and she kept her clothes on. Watch 8 Women, which Chloe Sevigny is in, and no-one does anything close to getting it on, but the sex appeal of most of the women in it is way above and beyond that of Halle Berry in Swordfish. This, presumably, is also the reason why so many women have found Sean Connery so sexy for so long. I have absolutely nothing against porn – in fact I think I’m far more liberal about it than most – but I really don’t see the merits of having actors actually have sex on camera. To me it’s a befuddlement of logic anyway – Ray Winstone stamping on Kathy Bates in Nil By Mouth isn’t any less brutal or inauthentic because he didn’t really do it. And those critics that Kermode talks about cheering graphic sex in dire films remind of those that think Tracy Emin is a daring artist.
I'd prefer that they keep porn and mainstream separate. They've moved closer together, from both directions, in the past twenty years or so but I'd say that the current borders should be maintained.

Oscar nominations for Ron Jeremy et al are the stuff of nightmares.
SEX ( unsimulated ) is not found in the so called main stream "hollywood " movies the indi.s supply that and balance it with a less or non existent focus on violence .

i dont see any problem with it by the reviews you should know waht the content of a movies is and what genra it is featured under ,\
some european
directors are notorious for featuring real uinsimulated sex in there movies .

Catherine briellat . lars van trier , are just 2 that come to mind inmmediatly .


hollywood movies usually depict gratuituous sex ( soft porn ), for instance the detective somehow seems to find his way into a "gentlemens " bar where a silicone enhanced bimbo is simmering up and down a brass pole . nothing to do with the script just a ploy to get the movies a r rating and and audience of voyuistic males.

I ndi,s typically deal with subjects that are forbidden /off limits or untouchable by hollywood standards cus they would fail to bring in big enought ticket sales to gross enought profits to fill the greedy hollywood mogils pockets .

Thats why a lot of them feature sex / taboo themes .somebody has to supply that needs of the millions who shy away from mainstream offering .


will mainstream stars ever feature in real live sex acts in movies ?? one day yes but who wants to see kathy bates giving micheal dauglas a bj


lol
I don't see the need to include actual sexual intercourse in main stream movies. And I suspect that most good actors would not want to engage in it on screen.

If you want porn there is plenty available. Who's looking at the faces anyway?

JohnA @ Mon 05 Jun, 2006 Wrote:
hollywood movies usually depict gratuituous sex ( soft porn ), for instance the detective somehow seems to find his way into a "gentlemens " bar where a silicone enhanced bimbo is simmering up and down a brass pole . nothing to do with the script just a ploy to get the movies a r rating and and audience of voyuistic males.


:lol:


I understand your point JohnA, but these days the threat of an R rating is death to any movie. Scenes are cleaned up or removed to avoid an R rating. R ratings don't make money at the movie house, that's why the DVD usually has the original ending, or original scenes not shown at the movie house, where they couldn't be shown cos of the rating to get the crowds in. :smile:

Keith @ Mon 05 Jun, 2006 Wrote:
I don't see the need to include actual sexual intercourse in main stream movies. And I suspect that most good actors would not want to engage in it on screen.

I Who's looking at the faces anyway?



only for the money shot lol

Art House films have always been pushing the envelope of sex in cinema. We watched the notorious Ai No Corrida recently which is a film about a co-dependent sexual relationship. Without the sex there would have been no movie, without the graphic depictions of sexual acts, which are, incidentally, thoroughly Un-sexy, there would have been no story/movie.
Several recent (european) movies have continued pushing this rather dog-eared envelope (Idiots/romance/pola X etc) but its more of a dead end than anything. If its essential to the plot then by all means lets see it, but if its more of a course gratuity (IE getting bums on seats) then i'd rather not see anything at all. Being a rabid movie nut i was chuffed to move to the US and be privaledged to see so many movies in their uncut form without fear of the censors scissors depriving me of gore or innapropriate morals etc.. but i soon learned of the Unrated directors Cut. This usually means sex or, at the very least, pubic hair that was deemed too much for an R-rated audience.
Sex sells movies, but too much flesh and distributors/studios get nervous. More often than not european movies go straight to video/mail order only as the gruesome tide of mediocrity sweeps the nation. The thought police are in full stride, careful what you,re thinking.
Haven't seen Brown Bunny (Netflix posted it as status Unknown) but then Gallo has never been the greatest auteur so i wasn't expecting much anyway.
wether you're offended or not, i think that stronger sex scenes in movies will become part of the norm, they certainly are in europe (L'Enuui managed to acheive something without showing the money shot or anything too graphic, just lots of bouncy-bouncy) but here, its a different matter. Movies have a more prudish attitude to sex than they did 20 years ago, and a far more immature way of showing said act than is really nessecary. But then the ratings system allows much younger admissions to the theatres.
How about violence? there's a hot potato to toss about.

http//www.thundercrackthefilm.com/# click on the Play the Trailer link! Its a hoot!

servalan @ Tue 06 Jun, 2006 Wrote:
Haven't seen Brown Bunny (Netflix posted it as status Unknown) but then Gallo has never been the greatest auteur so i wasn't expecting much anyway.
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strange i only rented it from them about 3 months ago .

I can't be arsed with it now - there's too many other fillums i want to see and our lists round the 200 mark grin
can't be any better than buffalo 66
I really don't care. I'm not anti-porn, I'm just not interested. It's a sad indicator of the total removal of imagination from the movies. Science fiction got computer simulations and "special effects" to replace imagination, romance/whatever gets real sex scenes. Big wow.

I don't read "romantic" novels with lots of sex scenes because I'm just not interested. All I need to know for the plot is that they had a nice time. I can fill in with my imagination. Similarly, I don't need to see movie character have sex. It doesn't offend or shock me -it's just boring.

I am, however, quite happy that the big stars may have to actually work for their $$$ without using stunt doubles! lol
Thing is, sex is what makes us tick - especially in relationships, so its nice to see it portrayed seriously once in a while. switch on the tv any night of the week and you'd be hard pushed to find anything challenging enough to raise the slightest eyebrow.
When I first moved here, i was shocked by the amount of violence on the tv. And its not just that - lots of sexual violence, mostly male on female. However much you're turned off or offended by sex in movies/tv thats nothing compared to the depiction of rape and sexual assault that fills our screens throughout the week.
More sex please.
Its kind of fun.
I'm with monster on this one. I feel the same about language, or rather, excessive use of bad language. I watched a little of "Deadwood" and it seemed as though half the program was spent repeating the "F" bomb, it was monotonous.

I actually think that it was better before television. Radio plays were great because you built your own picture of the characters and the action, in your imagination, and it somehow seemed more real.

IMO, Unless something is necessary to establish the characters, or move the story along, it is gratuitous and wastes my time.

If I want to watch something for it's own sake, and it's legal, it should be available, but not forced on me.
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