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I've recently entered the US on a K-1 visa, but me and the soon-to-be-missus have sat down and decided we actually preferred it back on the other side of the pond. I concur with every reason eastendboy listed, and the other half is a serious Anglophile anyway, and she's almost more up for it than I am! I've been out here for over 6 months, and the rose-coloured glasses came off fairly quickly. Here are some of my reasons, in addition to everything eastendboy said...

I can't help but think about the time back in the UK last year - I was on a fairly average salary back in the UK, yet I had a reasonably nice flat, savings, two cars, loads of cool electronic and music gear, food in the cupboards, usually a night out every week, satellite TV and 2MB broadband, everything was paid up, and I usually had a little bit left over at the end of the month, even while Gwen (the missus-to-be) was staying with me and I was subsidising her. Granted, a little of this (petrol and some other travel costs, the occasional bit of stationery and electronics) was subsidised by expenses at my old job, but that's nothing a somewhat higher salary wouldn't address (let along two salaries, as Gwen, with her great qualifications and personality would be able to walk right into a fantastic job), and which I would get if I went for something more in "my" field.

My immediate thought is that, as a percentage of average income, the cost of living here in the US is considerably higher than in the UK, despite some things being cheaper. This is contrary to generally-accepted hearsay. Sure, petrol is cheaper, but cars are bigger and much less fuel-effieient - here, 30mpg is seen as excellent fuel consumption - there are cars back in the UK getting in excess of 50mpg. Nothing irks me here like seeing a tank-like Chevy Suburban or other unnecessarily large and globulous SUV with only one person in it, who's usually on the phone. You also have to drive a lot further to get to places, not to mention anything approaching a decent public transport system in most places - our drive to the barn where Gwen rides her horse every week is more or less the equivalent of driving to Oxford from London, and the drive I'm doing to work every day is more or less the same as the drive from London to Brighton. Groceries are roughly equivalent in price for most things, as are things like rents, phone bills (with the exception of mobile phones, which are way more expensive to own here - I can't believe you get charged here for INCOMING calls!). Things like domestic bills for gas and electricity seem considerably higher though. Taxation also actually seems higher, despite the fact that sometimes you can get some of this back. Now, throw in the fact that the UK has the NHS (the statistic that 90% of bankruptcies in the US are down to medical expenses scared the hell out of me) and a halfway-decent safety net should you fall through the cracks, the fact that our kids, when we have them, have the chance of subsidised university in the UK, and that the US has a currency that is only worth slightly more than jumping beans in the world economy, and you begin to see my problem. On the plus side, at least the US doesn't have the abominations that are council tax, speed cameras, chavs and "Max Power" magazine.

Oh, and the TV sucks too... not so much the shows - this is the country that brought us CSI, South Park, Drawn Together, Family Guy and Star Trek in its various iterations, it's the commercials every 5 minutes, the awful news coverage and blatantly partisan approach of some of the channels to political matters. Our satellite TV is off right now, and I don't miss it. We had all the good US TV shows in the UK, with a lot less commercials, and a load of other good programming to boot, and channels who are legally not allowed to be partisan on political matters. Let's just say, as far as TV goes, UKNova has become my best friend. D

We've stayed since I figured, after all the hassle of getting over here, it was worth at least trying to give it a proper go. But I've totally lost my enthusiasm for the place now. So, it looks like we're going to get married, then go back to the UK. I'm not even going to bother adjusting status here. Plus, the visa process for her to get into the UK is way, way simpler than going the other way. $500, an online form and one interview, and that's it, visa in hand the same day.
Oh, one more reason to add to my rant-ette above...

When we do the kids thing, and they go to school, I want them to learn about the world, not just the US. I want them to know the world doesn't end at the borders of the US, and to actually know roughly where the different countries are on a map of the world. The missus told me all about her education, and I can't believe how much it differed from mine in this respect. I refuse to have kids who are as myopic about the world as some of the people here in the US seem to be. roll

RussInNJ @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:39 pm Wrote:
We've stayed since I figured, after all the hassle of getting over here, it was worth at least trying to give it a proper go. But I've totally lost my enthusiasm for the place now. So, it looks like we're going to get married, then go back to the UK. I'm not even going to bother adjusting status here. Plus, the visa process for her to get into the UK is way, way simpler than going the other way. $500, an online form and one interview, and that's it, visa in hand the same day.


$496, an online form, and a fedex envelope and you can rule out the interview. Mr Mango just got his back four days after it left our hands. :grin:

mango @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:48 pm Wrote:
$496, an online form, and a fedex envelope and you can rule out the interview. Mr Mango just got his back four days after it left our hands. :grin:


No interview? That's cool, we could definitely go for that. :D

What paperwork did he need to submit?

RussInNJ @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:23 pm Wrote:
What paperwork did he need to submit?


Errrmmm..... His passport, bank statement showing that he could support himself for a while if he doesn't get a job immediately, letter from my mum saying that we can live with her till we find a place, her title to her house (or rental agreement if she were to be renting), a letter from me (his wife) saying that we intend to be together as husband and wife and that we have lived together as a couple for .... however long it's been, two recent pics, a few piccies of us together, a bill in both our names and of course, the application form. You print that off the computer after you fill it out online. Oh, and my British passport and birth certificate. Also, if you (as the Brit) have been married before, your divorce papers.

Sounds like a lot, but as you said, it is a hell of a lot easier than getting a greencard for the States.

Any questions, feel free to ask away. :roll:

RussInNJ @ Fri 10 Feb, 2006 11:39 am Wrote:
I've been out here for over 6 months, and the rose-coloured glasses came off fairly quickly. We've stayed since I figured, after all the hassle of getting over here, it was worth at least trying to give it a proper go. But I've totally lost my enthusiasm for the place now. So, it looks like we're going to get married, then go back to the UK. I'm not even going to bother adjusting status here. Plus, the visa process for her to get into the UK is way, way simpler than going the other way. $500, an online form and one interview, and that's it, visa in hand the same day.


First thing is serves you right for going to Nueva Jersey.

Seriously, New Jersey... you poor bastard. Move. Ask for a transfer to NorCal, Nevada or Arizona. Somewhere warm.

Second: Not that I'm advocating or approving acts of dubious legality and/or morality, but have you heard of BitTorrent or BearShare? I hear that these types of programs may enable you to find British tv comedies etc [/romero]

Get a DVR / Tivo and you can skip commercials and have 300 channels too. You find a lot of British historical stuff on History International, FSC channel which runs Sky footage and is pretty good with the mute button, Speedvision which gives F1 and WRC, C-Span for PM Question Time, BBC America isn't the proper BBC, but on no account ever sit through Nick at Nite or TV Land if you don't like Murrican tv.

mango @ Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:31 pm Wrote:
Errrmmm..... His passport, bank statement showing that he could support himself for a while if he doesn't get a job immediately, letter from my mum saying that we can live with her till we find a place, her title to her house (or rental agreement if she were to be renting), a letter from me (his wife) saying that we intend to be together as husband and wife and that we have lived together as a couple for .... however long it's been, two recent pics, a few piccies of us together, a bill in both our names and of course, the application form. You print that off the computer after you fill it out online. Oh, and my British passport and birth certificate. Also, if you (as the Brit) have been married before, your divorce papers.

Sounds like a lot, but as you said, it is a hell of a lot easier than getting a greencard for the States.

Any questions, feel free to ask away. :roll:


Sounds good... only thing with me is, I've been here in the US for the past seven months, and don't have a job or money back in the UK right now (although I am close to securing a new job back over there) - is it possible to get a co-sponsor, say, my mother, to vouch for financial support? And about the title to the house... my mum still has a mortgage, meaning the mortgage company have the deed, so what would she have to send them?

Boy, can you give me site for on-line form, this sounds too good to be true!! Is it citizenship interview!! Thanks in anticipation

RussInNJ @ Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:16 am Wrote:
[Sounds good... only thing with me is, I've been here in the US for the past seven months, and don't have a job or money back in the UK right now (although I am close to securing a new job back over there) - is it possible to get a co-sponsor, say, my mother, to vouch for financial support? And about the title to the house... my mum still has a mortgage, meaning the mortgage company have the deed, so what would she have to send them?


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Hi Russ,

Check out this link. It might help answer your questions. I know that if your mum still has a mortgage, all she needs to send you is an ORIGINAL mortgage payment slip, or a letter from her mortgage company showing some proof that she holds a mortgage with them. And as far as being your co-sponsor, that isn't a problem either. She would need to send copies of her bank statement (again, ORIGINALS) and a letter stating that she would be prepared to financially support you if needed.

Good luck with it all. It really is easy peasy. I couldn't believe how easy actually. Baffled me I say!

Mango,
Thanks so much for your help! D

Right, the missus is going to apply for her visa in the next few days... the co-sponsor thing sounds straightforward enough, but there's nowhere on the form to mention this - do I put myself as the sponsor (being her husband) or my mum, given the situation as above?

Also, I brought my cats with me to the US... she has one of her own as well, so we'll be bringing three cats back with us! It was pretty straightforward to bring my cats out here, is it as straightforward to take them back with us? Got any good website links to companies over in the US who deal with pet shipping? Or if we had all the vaccination paperwork, could we just bring them as excess baggage with an airline that would handle pets?

And one last thing... we don't have a vast amount of stuff to take back with us (no electronics or anything particularly bulky, pretty much just clothes, books and DVDs) - what has everyone found to be the most cost-effective way to ship this kind of stuff back? A shipping company, or packing it all into cases and just taking it all as excess baggage? If we were to get a few large trunks for it all, does the 32kg maximum for baggage still apply for all excess baggage?

Thanking you all in advance! D
I moved back from NJ 2 months ago and we used http//www.airborneanimals.com and I can't recommend them enough! They were thorough with the paper work and looked after the cats very well. We had no problems at all.

You can bring the cats on some airlines when you travel as well (Continental and Virgin do this I think) though I'm not sure if you could bring all three at the same time. It is much cheaper to do it this way, but more of a headache for you with all the paperwork and I think a vet has to check them within 24 hours before they fly.

You will need pet passports for your pets if you want to avoid quarrantine. The Defra site should be able to help you http//www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quarantine/pets/index.htm It takes 6 months to be able to have one issued though.

We actually got our cats pet passports before we left the UK in case we didn't like it in the US and wanted to move stright back home, so I'm afraid I have no experience on American vets issuing them.

Good luck! smile
Hmmm. ? The six months thing isn't good. We're planning on going back in about 3 weeks.

My two cats had their vaccinations just over six months ago, so there's hope for them... hopefully a US vet can do the rabies blood tests and issue them with the pet passport (there wasn't enough time to get them the full pet passport before I originally left) but Gwen's cat hasn't had her vaccinations yet, so she might have to wait for six months. sad

Does that sound feasible, if a vet over here sees the vaccination certificates from back in the UK or liaises with my vet back in the UK to issue the pet passport? I think it should be doable.

RussInNJ @ Mon 20 Feb, 2006 7:03 pm Wrote:
Hmmm. :? The six months thing isn't good. We're planning on going back in about 3 weeks.

My two cats had their vaccinations just over six months ago, so there's hope for them... hopefully a US vet can do the rabies blood tests and issue them with the pet passport (there wasn't enough time to get them the full pet passport before I originally left) but Gwen's cat hasn't had her vaccinations yet, so she might have to wait for six months. :sad:

Does that sound feasible, if a vet over here sees the vaccination certificates from back in the UK or liaises with my vet back in the UK to issue the pet passport? I think it should be doable.


http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/quaranti.../btest.htm

This link says you have to wait 6 months after the blood tests, not the vaccination. Are blood tests done as standard after the vaccination?

Well, just to follow up...

Been back in the UK for 2 1/2 months now, with the missus. All is well, we're both working, we've got a flat and things are looking good. The missus is now fully Anglicised, uses the word "bollocks" in conversation regularly and has adjusted very well.

I'd still be open to the possiblity of living abroad in the future though, I'd love to live in Toronto. How have other people on here found Canada in comparison to the UK and US?
Been here 43 years and the one thing that struck me were the many British similarities. Queen, head of state, parliament, foods etc. In fact some places such as Victoria BC are more British that the British.

Lived in Ottawa all that time and we have found it a great place to bring up a family.

Couldn't live in the US although it's a great place to visit. The US has this great ego to feed. I like living in a smaller country with a more compassionate outlook.
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