British Expatriate Network

Also, some interesting stuff in the REF links
http//deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160132,00.html

He makes some good sense.

just for a moment, assume that it was no accident the towers fell.
Why? don't answer with who please, just why, what purpose would it, or did it achieve?
Invasion of Iraq? for what, oil?
To boost the popularity of a goverment?

Well I'm not suggesting I subscribe to this particular conspiracy theory but if you look at who gained from it, Bush et al do come out rather well.

Suddenly, he went from being a somewhat lucky, fraudulent and lazy President (in the public's view) to the great hero, akin to Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt.

The shock and horror that echoed around the country allowed other governmental organisations to take advantage and help themselves to more cash and amend civil laws, supposedly to create extra security but not necessarily for that reason.

We've seen how VP Cheney's supposedly ex-firm and its subsidiaries seem to circle like vultures over disasters, wars and anything military and all of those things seem to have occurred around 9-11.

Wolfovitz, Rumsfeld and the Neo-Cons got their little war that they wanted so desperately against Iraq and were able to justify invasion, without worrying about what the United Nations thought. 9-11 was the ultimate card to play, in so much as suggesting "Who are you to stop us? Look what we just endured...."

To be honest, it really did not gain much for Al Qaeda/Taliban, save for a quick bit of publicity and then suddenly becoming the number one enemy of the United States.

From a detached point of view, 9-11 was a stunning operation but I do wonder sometimes how such clumsy commando teams got so successful and if nothing else, they were possibly "permitted" to carry out their operation, similar perhaps to President Kennedy's assasination or even the events leading up to and attack on Pearl Harbor.

As I said at the beginning, I currently do not subscribe to this theory but agnostically, I do admit that a lot of questions went unanswered and something of a cover-up has ocurred (business as usual here).

Google "Project for New American Century" or "PNAC"...

yea know all these conspiracy theory's are good for a laugh. But they are nothing more than over analysed waste of time. After all you can make any thing happen in conspiracy world.

It would be near impossible to arrange a jet to hit between floor number and preplaced explosives. With any crash like this and the amount of jet fuel on those planes, you will have secondly and third explosives going off. Items have different combustible properties.

Show me any three conspiracy theory's that have ever been proven fact

Another guy just trying to make a name

The companies that make weapons have been doing rather well of late.

Problem there is that if it is a conspiracy, then the documents that will make it fact are either buried away for half a century (with options to extend) or lost.

It can be extremely difficult to get documents released even when they are covered by the Freedom of Information Act. Everyone should try it sometime - some of the stuff they redact is ridiculous as well. It should be renamed the "Freedom of Information Act If We Feel Like it and Haven't Already Lost It".

I think the biggest argument against the theory of a well-run conspiracy on 9/11 carried out by the US is that everything else that's been carried out has been so hopelessly cocked up. If you were watching the whole Somalia thing go sour would you say to yourself yeah...these guys are good!"

On the other hand, as my friend likes to argue, who could cock up this royally so often and so publically? It seems almost intentional at times. For example, when has the intelligence that has been made public been accurate?

- we thought it was a weapons factory but really they make aspirin
- we didn't know it was a Chinese embassy
- we had no idea that people would fly into the WTC?
- well of course he has WMD

And on and on. Of course, I don't go with that. I just think their all examples of being inept. Sort of like hitting everything with a hammer cuz that's all you've got.

Occam's Razor. the simplest explanation is that it all happened as described by the inquiries. I would have to see a copy of the video that has been in secure hands.

As to the idea of explosive being placed around the lower floor; has anyone watched what the demolition people go through to drop a building. imagine trying to do that in secret.

Tie that in with the ineptitude that bungle mentions and it becomes ridiculous.

good point mrbungle, which is why I steered clear of who, cus the your right, they could not organize a poke in a brothel.
But if not them, then who? I don't believe the Arab terror groups could have done it? so that then leads me to believe that the theory is wrong.
I'm more inclined to go with the fact that the buildings were piss poor designed, and once again, the common man got stiffed in this country, by working in places built on the cheap, while lining ever deepening pockets somewhere.

You must be joking, do you want all buildings to withstand a big commercial jet bumping into them with a near full load of fuel. it could be done, but it would be costly. Connsidering normal design requirements, those buildings were well designed.

You'll be saying that the Murrough Building was bad design because it let the bomb knock it down, next.

Anything can be built to withstand most things, but coming with that very new design, will be someone trying to destroy it. Thats why we have an arms race lol.

The design may have been well thoughtout, but due to poor workmanship, material and trying to do it as fast as possible sealed its fate.

Look at the Liberty ship design. Was quick and well thought out until they started breaking up, so they then had a re think.

After 9/11 there was a programme on telly about an architect chap in NYC who had had some connection with the WTC design & build saying that he would forever regret that they had not gone for a different (sturdier) design in which the towers would likely have withstood the attacks without collapsing.

It is not so far fetched when you consider that a missile can be launched from a sub half way from around the world and hit a 20x20 warehouse. No so far fetched when you look at the bottom of the planes and see a canoe shaped oblongation on the lower left side of fuelsage,this is no trick photography go to any close up picture of the bottom and look closely you can see this. NO BOEING HAS THIS OBLONGATION PERIOD. The eyewitnesses that day back up this claim but FOX won't rebroadcast this or what their own reporter said in an live interview after he seen plane 2 hit, he said a grey military jet with no windows, they don't broadcast that interview again so now it becomes a conspiracy theory. Buildings can burn for hours sometimes days and not one has ever collapsed, these two collapse within two hours of fire, bologney. The jet fuel could of never gotten that hot that smoke was BLACK not white or blue. Black smoke is LOW HEAT. The smoke alone tells you it couldn't of been hot enough to make steel collapse period. The initial burst was great but after that it was mostly paper drywall and carpeting,not near hot enough for a collapse especially in as short as a time. There is a ton more evidence that Fox and CNN are not going to show you and I'm not going to keep going. 9-11 is not a conspiracy it is a proven fact that things don't add up. The story(news) you were told on 9-11 was told to you.......but who is to say that that story isn't the conspiracy theory and the facts I've mentioned and could go on and on about are not "fact"..... because you can't read these "facts" in WSJ or see them on FOX. When your mind was fresh and open it was programmed to believe the make believe story, which is exactly what happened. If I tell you you speak russian and you've been speaking english but all you've been taught was you speak russian you will fight till your last breath you speak russian even though the fact is you speak perfect english but your open mind was programmed to believe you spoke russian thats how the media workswe were all hoodwinked that day.

There are alot of sites and movies out that are bringing this truth more to light and I will gladly speak privately or openly about this topic.

http://www.letsroll911.org/

some food for thought. We owe it to the victims families of those children husbands and wives that lost someone special that day. Shrugging our shoulders and accepting the official story just isn't good enough when there is a mountain of evidence that points to something greater than al quida.