British Expatriate Network - US Military spending.

pilgrim_007 @ Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:27 pm Wrote:

londonsquare @ Wed 05 Oct, 2005 8:29 pm Wrote:

I heard that the pentagon is finally going to start compensating the grunts for the body armour and other stuff they had to buy, because they weren't equiped properly.

Talk about dragging it out though. Congress ok'ed that a year ago and how many have died since then?

The problem now will be whether bureacrats hum and haw over who is going to qualify and who is not.

Odds on they'll demand receipts, and then quibble because the buyers didn't get the benefits of scale with a large order.

mr snuggles @ Thu 06 Oct, 2005 Wrote:

I heard on the radio yesterday that Bush asked congress for permission to use the military in place of the police in case the bird epidemic hits here. Does he think that our police departments cannot handle themselves. Thats not clever planning, for the police sake that is planting seeds in Americans minds of the up coming police state. Our police looks more and more like the militay all the way down to NYC police having a freaking .50 caliber mounted to their helos. What is this Vietnam what the heck does NYPD need a .50 caliber for. When they break into peoples homes with search warrants take off the black ski mask and automatic weapons and put Brown shirts on them. Pay attention and slowly watch it unveiled. The original purpose of the second ammendment was not to have guns to go hunting or protect us from burgulars- it was to protect us from big government it.

it was indeed one of the reasons for the second amendment , to protect the citizens against the central govt but NOT the only reason .

Of course central govy would NOT be so big today if some of the citizens had not agreed to let the politicans in washington take care of all our neeeds from gradle to grave ....

What way do you want it ?/ Bush said in the case of a major national crisis like a outbreak of asian fever the military are the only ones with the capability .training ,and manpower to hanbel the situation .

like in the flood disaster in new orleans troop had to be sent in to get it under control the local police ?emercency personal where not /equiped /trained efficent enought to handle such a major catastrophe

Military does not handle local town state problems with out a call for help from the governor of the state to the president ."states automony " national guard are the first to be deployed .

Now what would you sooner have the military helping out as much as they can in new orleans or as you suggest keeping out and letting the local police/and emgercy staff handle it * whats left of them after the mayor fired half the city employees??

I bet you was one of the knee jerk democrats who said the military should have got to new orleans earlier . now you want the military in a local energency to KEEPOUT
make up your mind >

JohnA @ Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:55 pm Wrote:

mr snuggles @ Thu 06 Oct, 2005 Wrote:

I heard on the radio yesterday that Bush asked congress for permission to use the military in place of the police in case the bird epidemic hits here. Does he think that our police departments cannot handle themselves. Thats not clever planning, for the police sake that is planting seeds in Americans minds of the up coming police state. Our police looks more and more like the militay all the way down to NYC police having a freaking .50 caliber mounted to their helos. What is this Vietnam what the heck does NYPD need a .50 caliber for. When they break into peoples homes with search warrants take off the black ski mask and automatic weapons and put Brown shirts on them. Pay attention and slowly watch it unveiled. The original purpose of the second ammendment was not to have guns to go hunting or protect us from burgulars- it was to protect us from big government it.

it was indeed one of the reasons for the second amendment , to protect the citizens against the central govt but NOT the only reason .

Of course central govy would NOT be so big today if some of the citizens had not agreed to let the politicans in washington take care of all our neeeds from gradle to grave ....

What way do you want it ?/ Bush said in the case of a major national crisis like a outbreak of asian fever the military are the only ones with the capability .training ,and manpower to hanbel the situation .

like in the flood disaster in new orleans troop had to be sent in to get it under control the local police ?emercency personal where not /equiped /trained efficent enought to handle such a major catastrophe

Military does not handle local town state problems with out a call for help from the governor of the state to the president ."states automony " national guard are the first to be deployed .

Now what would you sooner have the military helping out as much as they can in new orleans or as you suggest keeping out and letting the local police/and emgercy staff handle it * whats left of them after the mayor fired half the city employees??

I bet you was one of the knee jerk democrats who said the military should have got to new orleans earlier . now you want the military in a local energency to KEEPOUT
make up your mind >

You've been in Texas too long. I think you've been reading the rubbish that the Cato people are pushing. The Federal gov. should be doing the things that it can do economically, but it doesn't. If we go with Cato half will get richer and the other half will starve. It amazes me how many people milk a government system and then, when they have theirs, complain that the government is coddling people.

John I don't think you will find it's just Democrat's that are worried.

It would appear that America has developed such a large military establishment, that many are worried about the future with regard to how we are to pay for these large expenditures on military equipment that is out of all proportion what is really required.

Who is driving the train?

JohnA @ Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:55 pm Wrote:

mr snuggles @ Thu 06 Oct, 2005 Wrote:

I heard on the radio yesterday that Bush asked congress for permission to use the military in place of the police in case the bird epidemic hits here. Does he think that our police departments cannot handle themselves. Thats not clever planning, for the police sake that is planting seeds in Americans minds of the up coming police state. Our police looks more and more like the militay all the way down to NYC police having a freaking .50 caliber mounted to their helos. What is this Vietnam what the heck does NYPD need a .50 caliber for. When they break into peoples homes with search warrants take off the black ski mask and automatic weapons and put Brown shirts on them. Pay attention and slowly watch it unveiled. The original purpose of the second ammendment was not to have guns to go hunting or protect us from burgulars- it was to protect us from big government it.

it was indeed one of the reasons for the second amendment , to protect the citizens against the central govt but NOT the only reason .

Of course central govy would NOT be so big today if some of the citizens had not agreed to let the politicans in washington take care of all our neeeds from gradle to grave ....

What way do you want it ?/ Bush said in the case of a major national crisis like a outbreak of asian fever the military are the only ones with the capability .training ,and manpower to hanbel the situation .

like in the flood disaster in new orleans troop had to be sent in to get it under control the local police ?emercency personal where not /equiped /trained efficent enought to handle such a major catastrophe

Military does not handle local town state problems with out a call for help from the governor of the state to the president ."states automony " national guard are the first to be deployed .

Now what would you sooner have the military helping out as much as they can in new orleans or as you suggest keeping out and letting the local police/and emgercy staff handle it * whats left of them after the mayor fired half the city employees??

I bet you was one of the knee jerk democrats who said the military should have got to new orleans earlier . now you want the military in a local energency to KEEPOUT
make up your mind >

Yes the fact that people rely far to much on Uncle Sam has gotten out of hand. I am against the abuse of welfare corporate (your Halliburtons and McDonald Douglass contracts) as well as social (lazy butts sitting on their arse).Now there may come a time when I may need it or my wife. I basically have a mountain mans philopsophy take care of your own and have two of everything. Those people in the Astro dome disguist me. Get out and make something happen which some have.
You say that the police and emergency services couldn't handle the bird flu,that is absolute rubbish. What training is the military going to get that you couldn't give to police and EMT's. Comparing N.O. to the bird flu is no comparision. N.O. was a natural disasaster that could not of been prevented that all functions of government collapsed ESPECIALLY the Fed's, in their response to assist. The lawlessness came after Bush and everyone down to that ignorant mayor dropped the ball. The bird flu is a epidemic we know may be coming that we can begin training personel now and help alleviate the suffering thru awareness.The military needs not participate in this 0%. This is not a military issue. There are no guns or threats of violence on such a grand scale we need m-16's and H&K's on the street. This is a social situation and last I checked POLICE took care of those, with EMT's.
There is no making up my mind poor planning in N.O. created the lawlessness that ensued.Then slow Federal response to assist with humanatarain aid created an enviroment where troops HAD to be deployed. It wasn't the first hurricane looting is a given as messed up as it is. The police had more than enough manpower to get the situation under control. If they would of done thier job troops wouldn't of had to be deployed. Basically yes military needed to be deployed and I supported that ONLY because of the collapse of local and state officials then Feds. There is plenty of time to get local authorities trained to what's coming. That is the difference between N.O. and bird flu.

mr snuggles @ Fri 07 Oct, 2005 2:03 pm Wrote:

I basically have a mountain mans philopsophy take care of your own and have two of everything.

/two of everything?

VegasRudeBoy @ Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:19 am Wrote:

mr snuggles @ Fri 07 Oct, 2005 2:03 pm Wrote:

I basically have a mountain mans philopsophy take care of your own and have two of everything.

/two of everything?

:wink: That's why I married him!

mango @ Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:06 am Wrote:

VegasRudeBoy @ Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:19 am Wrote:

mr snuggles @ Fri 07 Oct, 2005 2:03 pm Wrote:

I basically have a mountain mans philopsophy take care of your own and have two of everything.

/two of everything?

:wink: That's why I married him!

Is the second wife a member here :?: :mrgreen: