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8) Do you think we should have more goverment involvement or less. I mean this in everyday things.

Like a centalized police system, real data protection and consumer laws. Things taken out of state hands and put in federal hands.

Was gonna say what do you think, put I feel the hot breath of Monster over my shoulder lol.

I hate different state laws, to me should be the same across the board. Stll leaves me scratch my head lol. I think that there should be better consumer protection laws.

Do you have any other laws to add of things that should be centralized ??
I agree the consumer protection laws are awful.

/last night you said you like to feel my hot breath.... are we through? cry
sssssshhhhh monster don't tell everyone lol
Hey, Goose, a question for you for a change

Bearing in mind that the American Colonies were separate political entities that decided to form a federation; do you think that the countries that make up the European Union should all give up their autonomy and all work under a single set of laws. Remember that Germany and France could pretty well control what would go into those laws.
oooh, nice one, LS.
Less Government. I pay taxes for roads, fire, police, "protection from enemies both foreign and domestic" and a few essential things like that.

I do not pay tax so some tit in Washington can tell me the official sexual position or tell me which religions are state-approved or not. Chimpy is my employee and if I want to find out where my tax dollars are going, he should bloody well tell me and be able to tell me exactly what plans he has for this country. If he can't I want him fired. The Government works for us, we don't work for the Government.

/Yes, I'm a Libertarian.
//I pay my taxes leave me the hell alone.

monster @ Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:39 pm Wrote:
oooh, nice one, LS.


Thanks.

It got me out of a long winded explanation of states rights.

lol There is a difference here the US went to a federalized state system when it really first formed and had things in common, i.e spoke english lol and common culture and laws so to speak.

Europe ummm at the moment has never run that way. They are all independant nations, rules and laws. So to say that the EU should run the same way I say no.

If you take it to an extreme you could say one world government all same rules etc
lol

Goose3 @ Tue 13 Sep, 2005 11:37 pm Wrote:
the US went to a federalized state system when it really first formed and had things in common, i.e spoke english  lol and common culture and laws so to speak.


Are you sure about that?

VegasRudeBoy @ Mon 12 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
/Yes, I'm a Libertarian.
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Always found this political philosophy a rather confusing and hard to define.

There seems to be a basic tension in a modern civil society between market regulation, capital infrastructure investment and public service organization.

We need basic protections from capitalist exploitation (eg drug manufacturing). Relying on "the market" to create equilibrium is a naive and overly simplistic conception.

Moo @ Wed 14 Sep, 2005 11:48 am Wrote:

VegasRudeBoy @ Mon 12 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
/Yes, I'm a Libertarian.
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Always found this political philosophy a rather confusing and hard to define.


Clicky Goodness

I didn't know either Moo, so I went to VRB's link and I found out. The first thing that happens is some bird called Jessica asks for money.

Libertarians take liberties.
I understand what the Libertarian Party maintains but it is still a muddled collection of Lockian and Marshallian philosophy forged as wispy and simplistic ideology. Don’t get me wrong, I also understand the emotional appeal of said ideology.

They (Libertarians) fail grasp or acknowledge that a modern complex capitalist society needs more management rather than less. They, like some elements of the American Republican Party want to go back to some romantic form of a state of nature. But this state of being is just an idealized and hypothetical construct. It never really existed but was conceived as a set of rather dodgy philosophical axioms so as to form the foundation of an even more dodgy social theory.
Of course i think there is to much govt* nannying* , many a post in the past have i stated my believe in a smaller less centralised govt .


libertarians such as I usually think that way as i see from previous posts on this board.

The central govt *feds * as we know it has grown 300% since the 70s and we get less and less for our buck .each senator reprsentative has got more secretaries , assistants , cleaks ,whatever and the list seeminly goes on and on , and they spend outragious amounts of time deciding what *if anything * we should worship ,who we should sleep with , what we should read ,see and say , and less and less time doing what the constitution granted them powers to do protecting our boarders , appling federal law when a interstate crime has been commited , IE interstate kidnapping , murder .treason, equiping a military capable of repelling outside farces should they try to harm us , and generally improving the health and wealth of its citizens .

The idea of more federalision or all states having the same laws would not work here this* one size fits all * type of govt contral would take into account the vast differants in cultures between states , the differant needs of those communities and the education of the children .

even traffic laws show a vaste different in culture and environment , a speed on californias broard highways of 80 mph might notbr suitable for a backwoods town in rural alabama .

TO sum up work to make govt SMALLER , less beauocratic , less wastefull with operating staff , pork barrel legislation , and keep taxas to the minimum . the things that govt seems to be fixed on ( both parties ) legislating on what we do see ,hear and read have sex with *and even smoke* and where and when we can do it , can be decided on a individual basis by the citizens , we dont need a 'suit 'in washington telling us what to do More freedom of choice for the individual citizen .


In all cases my decisions as to what is best for me is a lot more enlightened then the bogus leaders in power dictate .
So John in light of what happened, should FEMA be abolished, should "nannying" say, for example, mandatory evacuation orders be stopped no matter what the outcome is?


the results of which would be anarchy, judging by what happened in NO.
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