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Goose3 @ Mon 05 Sep, 2005 8:19 pm Wrote:
:roll: Geeze Ben don't you think it says something about a Guy that is seeing some other woman (alledgly), then is quiet happy to tell the world, he's gonna marry this woman, before he has even had the guts to tell his wife.

I don't care what someone does in their personal life, but when you make it public. Its fair game and speaks bunches about a person. A person that does not care, has no loyalty or respect, all things that are important when you are going to run for the most powerful persition in the world.


And as someone else has pointed out, how is this different from any other politician out there. OK, they may not all have affairs, but there is always something. Whether it is that they lie to us, go into their positions of power for their own benefits, or secretly have another life, there are not many politicians that are squeeky clean. And the ones that are, are not always successful in their jobs!

He may not be my kind of person that I would make friends with, and his treatment of his wife was disgusting, but which would you prefer as president - someone who lies to you and manages to get his charm to work on the country convincing them that going to war is a good thing or someone who does a damn good job.

For those that are against his methods of prosecution, I do have a question - those people that he managed to put behind bars and keep there, were any of them innocent?

I do agree with comparing 9/11 to what has happened with Katrina is silly. They are two totally different events and on different scales. However, this comparison is being made time and time again on the TV and in the media and has been made by some on here too. My point about making the comparisons is the fact that there are two distinct differences and as I have stated at least twice before the area that is effected. But one of the biggest differences is also the fact that there was no warning. I know I was hearing about Katrina for a long time before it hit, that the weather people were very concerned about this one and were talking about it more and more because of how strong it was getting. If we were getting all that up here, how come they didn't know this elsewhere in the country?

How many other Cat 4 and 5 hurricanes have no needed federal assistance when these hurricanes have hit land? When has a cat4 or 5 not killed people? How many times has there been articles in the news regarding 'The Big One' hitting NO and what damage it would cause?

This hurricane was not only a natural disaster but it was a manmade one too and for all the faults of the media in the past, I feel that they are the ones that are going to get the people of America to see just how bad things have got from all different angles.

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to La La land.

"Bush to lead inquiry into Katrina"

http//news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4220246.stm


Yes that's right, he's going to investigate himself.
great comeback on TV last night.

can't remember whom was either the interviewer or interviewee.


"Sir, the relief effort seems to have been very slow"

answer

"compared to what?"

rebuke

"ummmmmmmm"

mrbungle2103 @ Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:19 am Wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to La La land.

"Bush to lead inquiry into Katrina"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4220246.stm

Yes that's right, he's going to investigate himself.


The best way of deflecting the blame onto others - a cynical move. The Black Democrat Mayor is screwed already.

mrbungle2103 @ September 6th 2005, 11:19 am Wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to La La land.

"Bush to lead inquiry into Katrina"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4220246.stm


Yes that's right, he's going to investigate himself.


That bodes well for someone who cant even think of one mistake that he made in the first 4 years..... :roll:

Fox watching the henhouse time,

Horatio Underpants @ September 5th 2005, 11:21 pm Wrote:

Wumpscut @ Mon 05 Sep, 2005 10:49 pm Wrote:
Giuliani was rubbish but not because he was republican, he is just a disgusting human being


Out of interest,  why?


Dunno...why is anyone a Republican? :wink:

Sleepyhead @ Fri 02 Sep, 2005 5:07 am Wrote:
Have any other countries offered to help?


From Wikipedia

Countries and organizations offering to send aid mentioned by the State Department are Afghanistan, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, the Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Canada, Chile, China, Colombia, Cuba, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominica, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, the European Union, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, the International Energy Agency, the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, NATO, Nepal, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Norway, the Organization of American States, Oman, OPEC, Pakistan, Paraguay, the Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Korea, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, the UAE, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, Venezuela and the World Health Organization. Other countries not on this list have also offered aid, but the State Department mentioned that they had not been asked. Later, the US State Department said all offers were being examined.

Horatio Underpants @ Mon 05 Sep, 2005 Wrote:

Wumpscut @ Mon 05 Sep, 2005 10:49 pm Wrote:
Giuliani was rubbish but not because he was republican, he is just a disgusting human being


Out of interest,  why?


I started writing something but realized that this could end up being a book…titled: 100 Reasons to Dislike Gestapo Rudy…...I dont want to post all I wrote so I will just post the top half.

Lets us not forget that before 9/11 Rudy’s approval rating was down 32%, his Gestapo like style was getting on everyone nerves including his supporters.

I can see the fascination with Rudy from people living out side of New York City, for them New York City is a tough place and requires an equally tough person to deal with it, but in being tough the mayor as crossed the line a number of times.

Most of the improvement to the city was as a result of the Goods times we had during the 90s, the bubble; crime was down across the country not just New York, employment was up across the country not just New York. Even Under Bloomberg, Crime Falls, and continue to fall.

First let me say I give him credit for workfare and for merging the transit, housing and NYPD cops and that in some situation being totally ignorant may be the way to go. Really Bratton was the brains behind the merger but since Bratton was getting too much press over the Mayor he got rid of him.

Some people like the Disneyfication of NYC, personally I move here for the Decadence.

His let them eat cake attitude towards the poor and the homeless was well known, he did not care if they were poor or homeless so long as he did not see them he was ok, he also loved cutting programs for the poor.

He ran the NYPD like his own private Gestapo’s, giving the free range to do what they wanted when they wanted and to whom they wanted to and they did and he supported them, even when the commited murder. Even the Deputy Mayor, Rudy Washington, was subjected to harassment by NYPD and had to given shield to protect him from these harassments, most of us were not that lucky. The City was sued over two dozen times on First Amendment issues and lost each case.


It was a tense time when ole Rudy was about, you never know what that mad man was going to do next. I will not go into specifics that would take too long but you can do a easy search on the web regarding Rudy's legacy.... I will not go into too much more ...

johnr @ Tue 06 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
You are absolutly correct Goose,Giuliani is a creep of the First Order.
Typical Republican material.


and you are a typical brain washed knee jerk ignoranous democrat .

if you can call some body names and say they are *trpical* of others who hold the similar views so can I .. dont sound to good to you does it ?

Goose3 @ Tue 06 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
:roll: Hay Johnr I don't care what party he supports or runs with. He is just a man and as such does what suites him and gets him where he wants and does not care what he has to do to get it.

Again anyone can speak a good job, but does that make it happen, no its the people around them make it so..

All people that run for an office, first look at what they can get from it, not what the folks need. Thats the same the world over.


Wise words Goose and some that i second why we have folks like johnr who thinks that those of the party he supports wiLl always smell of roses and all the BAD stuff stems from the others we wil lnever nove on
Politicans are all human they all make mistake and at other times show strength and leadership .

no one party has got the monopoly on failure . .....


Like the last president and still it appears the leader of the democrats MR BILL CLINTON said when asked about *who to blame for the disaster *


now it not the time to *blame * we have to help those in need and take measures to assure that it wont happen again ..

powerfull words that folks with a negative attitude like johnr need to heed and do something to HELP the victims not allocate blame when all the facts are not yet known .

Just t calling folks who support a certain political view creeps will not help in anyway the victims of this disaster and certainly not go towards given any of the thoughts written here by poster who use that type of argument any validity .

Of course "politics" helps in these situations, it holds politicians and administrators accountable.

How long would the relief effort taken if there hadn’t been a political stink?

Moo @ Tue 06 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
Of course "politics" helps in these situations, it holds politicians and administrators accountable.

How long would the relief effort taken if there hadn’t been a political stink?



Bingo. Yes that's right - I'm agreeing with Moo.

And most wouldn't know how inept FEMA is until thousands died in a possible terrorist attack. That is reason enough to get political right now. I mean look at it, if Brown was rightly fired he'd be replaced by Patrick Rhode. Rhode has no emergency management experience whatsoever. He used to be an event pkanner for the Bush presidential campaign. When he would be fired he'd be suceeded by Scott Morris - who also has no emergency management training whatsoever. He used to make commercials for the presidential campaign.

What a joke. :evil:

a little of topic but it fits in with the direction the thread is going .

There has been some opinions voiced here about ex mayor juliani,s relationship and treatment of his wife .

although i dont condone making personal choices public its part of the territory of a public official that his/her private life gets to be publiknowledge .

I dont see any reason for rejecting a person to pUBLIC office cus of his marital shananigans , if we did that most of out leaders would be job hunting .


And i do believe if my memory serves me well I did hear a lot of democrats shout *foul* when Clintons extra marital adventures became public .
.surly to cheat on your wife in that manor and then lie about it and treat the *other *women as so much general everyday bisiness is not any worse that what guliani was accused of doing ,at least he *julianni *stood by the *other women *

Funny i dont hear any( democratic ) voices yelling to the tree tops when guilanni personal life is being JUDGED that its PERSONAL and nothing to do with his ability to hold a position of power and be a leader ....

why not ?????
You're flogging a dead horse John

Keith @ Tue 06 Sep, 2005 Wrote:
You're flogging a dead horse John


your right keith there is none so deaf as those that dont want to hear .....

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