British Expatriate Network

The story so far from the "Nurse Rachett" thread in Banter:

Have at it...................

OK then I will. We have opposable thumbs, atom bombs, wars, we waste food, we kill for no reason, we destroy the earth and we treat people, let alone animals as though they were trash.

How does this make us superior to other animals?

Cute animals like dogs, cats, otters = not good to eat. Ordinary animals like cows, sheep and animals = perfectly okay to eat. I din't see the difference, meat is meat. I have no problems with eating the dead flesh from an animal. In fact, 10 minutes after the Apocalypse, I'm out in the fields looking for steak with a taser and a big knife. Pigs are as smart as a 5 year old? So... not much use then. Apparently parrots are as smart as a 3-year old but nobody bitches about people eating them. Let's face it, animal rights and being a vegetarian are fairly modern inventions. If the bomb dropped tomorrow, y'all would be eating meat. It's a case of selective vegetarianism. So you don't eat animal products? Do you wear leather? Have a leather purse? Wear lipstick - made with lanolin what comes from sheep.

I also have no problem with wearing leather or fur. Admittedly, men in fur coats look a bit pimpish but women in fur is dead sexy. People are more against fur than leather because it's easier to harass old ladies than biker gangs.

And if animals are put on this earth to serve us, I want a helpful gorilla butler.

I wonder if this will make the conversation moot in a few years

TEST TUBE MEAT
Research paper shows meat can be grown in a laboratory on an industrial scale.

Experiments for NASA space missions have shown that small amounts of edible meat can be created in a lab, according to a report from the University of Maryland in the USA.

And the technology that could grow chicken nuggets without the chicken, on a large scale, may not be just a science fiction fantasy.

http//www.meatnews.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Article&artNum=9853

Adeshell, I heard about this on the news and it made me cringe, not to say shudder. I happily eat meat, but I like to think the poor sod had a happy life. And yes, i only eat organic free roaming meat , but then, we eat so little of it we can actually afford it.

Learning to live with failing bodies regards wink

Are you not part of society?

What do you mean moot? Y'all eaten at a drive-thru lately?

Life is of no value but as it brings us gratifications. Among the most valuable of these is rational society. It informs the mind, sweetens the temper, cheers our spirits, and promotes health.
- Thomas Jefferson

Society is joint action and cooperation in which each participant sees the other partner's success as a means for the attainment of his own.
- Ludwig von Mises

We should listen first and foremost to our own experience...We should stop looking for saviors... Society has not existed for thousands of years because it had a succession of saviors. It's existed because it has institutions and processes through which people can realize their own goals.
- Thomas Sowell

Society is a loaded question. Should Person A live by what someone else defines as society?

Absolutely not, if they don't agree with what "society" dictates. But does that justify them blaming "society" for actions they disagree with and conforming, or should they act in a way to encourage society to change it's norms to something more acceptable to them?

Case in point: eggs. Example: me. I am not vegan or vegetarian, but I despise the cruel methods of battery farming and so will only buy eggs laid by grain-fed free-roaming chickens. I could not sit back and say that eating eggs does not kill the chicken so it's OK, even if society doesn't treat the chickens very well. Grain-fed, free-range eggs are becoming more available and more affordable week by week which suggests that many feel as I do and our purchasing preferences are having an effect.

(and no, I've never eaten veal either, and never will)

I can't change the way people deal with animals. When I lived in Bavaria I bought milk from a local farmer rather from the mass markets. But this kind of thing is not available everywhere.

Yep, an a vegetarian, I'm not sure if I would eat that or not. I guess it would depend on how much it looks like meat. I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to eat a laboratory pork chop or steak, but I might possible try processed lab meat (hotdogs, chicken nuggets, burgers) :shock:

Not touching it.

If it didn't come from an animal, then technically it isn't meat. it would just be an artifical protein product.
If the underlying philosphy of you're vegan/vegatarianism is not to consume products of other living creatures, then bingo, no problem.
Just beacuse it has the texture and flavour of meat "no animals wer harmed int he making of this burger"
I think artifically prodcued meat would probably be alot better than the "meat" in fast food, particulalry hot dogs :shock:

Extending the thought process, if it's artificial and they can make it like different types of meat, chicken, pork , beef etc, then presunably they could make Human too, "I'll have an Ethel Merman Sandwhich please" :wink:

I remember back in the early 90's when I would regularly see cattle lorries forming up on Devon's A38 for their Police escort down to the docks at Milbay in Plymouth.

They were carrying young calves for veal which would be consumed in France and of course, there were many who wanted to stop this barbaric transportation and inevitable destruction of the young animals.

I enjoy meat and would never give up eating it but feel a little better that all the meat we eat now is organic and has been raised/killed as humanely as possible.