Anyone watch the settlers being taken out of the land they stole.?
Ok some had been there 30 years and it was a wrench, but castles on sand and stolen land and all that.
I was upset watching the settlers send children and women and teenagers to approach the army first.
I was even more upset at the factions in Palestine claiming some kind of victory in full military whatever you call balaclavas and that weird "I look like the background, well , I would if there were any trees" uniform.
I remember being in Israel back in 79 and being told they wouldn't settle any more land. But they did.
My question is how come God gave them this land. I thought it was some arrogant poncy Brit with a plum in his mouth who divided up the borders.
Please feel free to correct me, i get too emotional about Palestine to be the least bit logical.
In fact I think most Jewish members of Israel suffer from whatever syndrome it is that makes you identify with your captors. After all their actions in the last ten years or so have mimicked the German attitude almost down to a T.
Good neighbours come from good fences really doesn't apply.
Anyone watch the settlers being taken out of the land they stole.?
Ok some had been there 30 years and it was a wrench, but castles on sand and stolen land and all that.
I was upset watching the settlers send children and women and teenagers to approach the army first.
I was even more upset at the factions in Palestine claiming some kind of victory in full military whatever you call balaclavas and that weird "I look like the background, well , I would if there were any trees" uniform.
I remember being in Israel back in 79 and being told they wouldn't settle any more land. But they did.
My question is how come God gave them this land. I thought it was some arrogant poncy Brit with a plum in his mouth who divided up the borders.
Please feel free to correct me, i get too emotional about Palestine to be the least bit logical.
In fact I think most Jewish members of Israel suffer from whatever syndrome it is that makes you identify with your captors. After all their actions in the last ten years or so have mimicked the German attitude almost down to a T.
Good neighbours come from good fences really doesn't apply.
HAY they can do as they wish they are *gods chosen peoples * :smile:
Interesting question. I have been meaning to look into this for a while to see where their "promised land" is. I am guessing that Gaza is a little too close to Egypt, a land they were driven out of thousands of years ago, for it to be for real.
Israel...let's see. The British government withdrew the Palestine Mandate in 1947, the UN divied up the area, and a year later the state of israel was established. First country to recognize it? The good old USA. I think it was something like 15 mintues after it was delcared (anyone?) David Ben Gurion, the dude who declared Israel a new state said they were "re-establishing" Israel after 2 thousand years of exile. Or something like that. Israel then immediatly started to "expand." But then everyone else did too - Jordan grabbed the West Bank for example, and Egypt grabbed the Gaza Strip. Pretty much since then Israelis have been illegally living in Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights. Israel has also had a tendency to move into Lebanon too.
This is a good history-
http//news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/78601.stm
I've never really understood the almost unwavering support of the USA for Israel. Have no real idea to be honest.
Interesting question. I have been meaning to look into this for a while to see where their "promised land" is. .
I wish I where a diamond ring apon my girls friends hand .
So every time she wiped her bum id see the "promised land ".
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The Us position is easy, there are many Jews here who are politically active, and they vote in higher percentages than the average.
I caught someone on a conservative Christian channel talking about Palestine and he said that there were few Muslims there in 1880, the Jews developed the area and the Arabs came in for the jobs. It sounded so far out from what I had previously understood that I watched in fascination. It sounded as though he went way beyond spin.
I caught someone on a conservative Christian channel talking about Palestine and he said that there were few Muslims there in 1880, the Jews developed the area and the Arabs came in for the jobs. It sounded so far out from what I had previously understood that I watched in fascination. It sounded as though he went way beyond spin.
That's the old Joan Peters argument that Zionists like to spin but is probably one of the worst pieces of scholarly work ever - even some Zionists refuse to touch it as it is so far from being factual.
Census figures of the Ottoman Empire and then the British Mandate indicate that the population of Arab Muslims & Christians was around the 200,000 mark during the late 1800's through to the 1930's, with a couple of percent added each year for new births. Censuses also did not count Bedouin tribes that move around much of Arabia.
Although there was some immigration for jobs (the British built the port of Haifa which needed labour), the vast majority of the population were Arabs and the Jewish contingent was negligible until the mass (and mostly illegal) immigration that came later (probably after the Balfour Declaration and then before and after World War II).
Oh Pilgrim, you stopped short of mentioning Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang
Now is the US going to follow, and pull out of He-Raq?
Oh Pilgrim, you stopped short of mentioning Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang
I know - I got hungry and stopped for a bite to eat.
Remember, even cute and cuddly Dr. Ruth was a sniper in the Haganah. Bloody terrorist :wink:
Now is the US going to follow, and pull out of He-Raq?
Still waiting to get the Brits out of Canada myself...
/everyone lives on stolen land
The whole area is a mess and they won't stop killing each other cuz its to much trouble to actually get along with each other lol.
Maybe the world should just build a wall around the whole area, let them knock the SH*t out of each other, until they realize what a complete waste of time it really is.
As for Jerusalem let the UN declare it an international zone of world interest and let them run it. That way no one country is in control.
As for Jerusalem let the UN declare it an international zone of world interest and let them run it. That way no one country is in control.
Jerusalem would look even more like Belfast, circa 1970, than it does now.
The UN would probably opt not to have to play policeman between the factions, seeing as how the United States are no longer sending soldiers to war but sending them to be moving targets for insurgents. Who is going to vote for that?
This might all have been fixed in the 60's and 70's if the Arabs had managed to overcome Israel but the US intervention prevented this - simultaneously elevating them to the hated position they hold in the Arab world today.