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with everything going on in this world can we say multicultural system work. I think up to now it seemed to be working fine in the UK, but now have uneasy questions about the future. Have been reading alot of stuff on the BBC web site etc Is there a way to put this back on the straight and narrow in a nice way. Or do you do as arab states do, Say this is a christian national and therefore no other religious items,
are allowed and you cannot preach your way etc etc.
One of the things that keeps being said, is that westeners should get out of their countries etc. Is that not a racist statement and what would be the reaction if the west said fine but inturn you have to leave the west.
The other problem seems to be their leaders run oppressive governments and when they over throw that government, they replace it with yet another oppressive government, that was just as bad as the first.
Seems to be a never ending circle.
Its all gone pear shaped. How can we fix the problem before it gets to bad. Have the second and third generation of immigrants forgotten why their parents fled their home countries to begin with?? why is that not being shared .
I tend to believe that 90% off all people are good, but its the bad 10% that seem to lead and the rest follow like sheep, only to wake up after its all to late.
Me in my perfect world wished that there were no boarders, people move where and when they liked could prey to whatever god they wanted, that everyone just got along. I know thats never gonna happen. Maybe it would if we found life on other planets and we had to represent the human race with one earth leader, guess it sounds like star trek lol
What would you do to save the place lol
Teach the second commandment. Love thy neighbour as thyself. The only trouble with the current events is, the people who committed them don't believe a word that left His mouth, even if it does make sense *and* it is something that their version of the good book teaches.
These terrorists are anarchists in any system. If we all separated ourselves we would still have the anarchists causing problems. They'd just find new things to complain about and keep maiming and killing. Did you notice how the rioters in Gleneagles suddenly disappeared when the London bombings happened on 7/7? They were the centre of attention until that happened. Then when it all went pear shaped they ran back to their little world of anarchy.org.uk and whatever.
And the whole race and culture separation thing would be impossible to achieve. There's been too much mixing of both to make anything fair. And what about 3rd and 4th generation citizens of a country, law abiding, God respecting people (whatever name they have for God). People like the parents of the 21/7 attempted bomber who gave up their son in a heartbeat.
Goose,
Multiculturalism will happen but it will take time. The need for it really only began in the 1950s. The British Empire had taken raw materials from the colonies and in return, gave them British citizenship. When the Empire dissolved, a lot of these citizens "came home", and started the need, which has grown, for multiculturalism.
Many of the repressive regimes have been supported by the west, by America. We cannot now expect to persuade them to adopt democracy in a short time.
The start of democracy in the modern era, was with the signing of Magna Carta in 1215. So it has taken 790 years for it to develop to where it is now in it's various forms. It is an oddity that magna carta made things worse for the common person. There had been a national system of courts of law, yielding a kind of unifomity. With Magna Carta, the barons took some of the king's powers and set their own laws and the consistency was gone. It was, however, a necessary step on the way. The barons had to get some of the kings powers so that common man could take some from them. It is only a few years ago that some of the hereditary lords lost more of their power.
Given that amount of time, and the initial, apparent setback,we shouldn't expect this present problem to be over quickly, but it doesn't have to continue at it's present level. The politicians are exploiting the situation, they keep referring to Muslem terrorists and in doing so, appear to be branding the whole of the Muslem world. Note that they didn't refer to the IRA as Roman Catholic terrorists, that would have brought the wrath of a large part of the world on their heads.
With modern communication and the existing examples of democracy, I don't think it will take 790 years, but it won't happen overnight either.
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Good post. If you go back to 1066, we still had a bunch of saxons pissed off at the normans for many a year lol.
The slave trade, for thousands of years people have been sold into slavery, be it brits, french, chineses whatever.
People still look at the past and not the future. Someone mentioned the IRA, but they have been called Irish extremists.
We tend to label people. We label people Jewish people. thats a religion not a country, therefore why not name them Israeli.
We tend to label things to make us feel comfortable. thats our down fall .
But we have no name for a bunch of stupied sick arses that would follow another stupied arse of the end off a cliff. Is really sad, speaks bunches for the society we have today.
But we have no name for a bunch of stupied sick arses that would follow another stupied arse of the end off a cliff. Is really sad, speaks bunches for the society we have today.
They're called lemmings.
/expats asking about being multicultural? :neutral:
I think that the UK has almost sacrificed its own culture to become politically correct in the multicultural wars and it’s probably the same in the US.
Recently I was in the UK walking around B&Q with a friend of mine when all of a sudden he said the following in a rather loud voice.
“This is what p!sses me off about our country, he is allowed to carry that because it’s a religious symbol but if I carried a knife in a public place I would be arrested for carrying and offensive weapon”
What he was referring to was a Sikh gentleman walking in front of us with a rather large dagger attached to his belt.
And I also heard something about church crosses, unfortunately I didn’t get the full story but apparently there was talk that all churches would have to remove their crosses because it was though that they (the crosses) would upset none Christians, something along these lines. Anyway there was a decision made (again I don’t know by whom, maybe the Government) that this would not happen after all.
To me it’s madness and the opposite of what multiculturalism is all about, surely, all foreigners must accept the culture of their host country. Complain about it, write about it and talk about it but surely (as a foreigner) one must accept it, or am I completely barking?
I think that the UK has almost sacrificed its own culture to become politically correct in the multicultural wars and it’s probably the same in the US.
Oh, puh-leeze what the hell is this british culture? One quite good playwright wore tights and says prithee, peasants living in squalor, some rather grostesque dancing, being sent off to smack Johnny Foreigner and take their stuff. And eating kidneys.
I think that the UK has almost sacrificed its own culture to become politically correct in the multicultural wars and it’s probably the same in the US.
Oh, puh-leeze what the hell is this british culture? One quite good playwright wore tights and says prithee, peasants living in squalor, some rather grostesque dancing, being sent off to smack Johnny Foreigner and take their stuff. And eating kidneys.
A rather cancered view of Brit culture if you don’t mind me saying so :shock:
“This is what p!sses me off about our country, he is allowed to carry that because it’s a religious symbol but if I carried a knife in a public place I would be arrested for carrying and offensive weapon”
What he was referring to was a Sikh gentleman walking in front of us with a rather large dagger attached to his belt.
As a pagan living in the UK, I know for certain that I am not allowed to carry my Athame attached to my being in public. However, I can purchase one, and carry it home in a bag.
surely, all foreigners must accept the culture of their host country. Complain about it, write about it and talk about it but surely (as a foreigner) one must accept it, or am I completely barking?
Nope. Very sensible.
A multicultural culture cannot happen. Only a multicultural society. As long as a Sikh can walk down the road with a turban on his head without being called a towel head, we should expect him to allow us to keep our crosses up on the church buildings.
Tony Blair had it right. Accept our culture (not assimilate, but accept and respect it) or go back home. Even if you were born here, you obviously have links to another country so find it.
Charge all the bombers with treason. And if someone commits a crime while seeking citizenship... don't give it to them!
The new buzz words Multiculturalism, Assimilation and British culture…. While they jump out of the bushes and chop you in the head with an axe just because your skin colour is different. Hate crimes have gone thru the roof how is that going to help with Assimilation. The new MORI poll makes for an interesting read.
neutral I find this type of topic interest as I tend to think that the 3rd, 4th generation of imigrants have an idealistic view of their country of origin. It nice to go there and visit for a couple of weeks, but to stay and live, they would not last.
Always remember Norman Tebbit getting in trouble for airing a similar view.
And what about those that come to the Uk, ummmm how did,Not the Nine Oclock News put it. So they can screw around, gamble and get pissed. They then go back and act like they are such good religious people and would be first in line to stone some woman to death.
All people are treated relatively fairly in the UK, afforded rights as it should be, but they are not the rights they would allow in their own country plus they would not give them to westeners anyways. They have asked them to get out of their country etc wheres their tolarance.
With all whats going on its hard to stop swinging from one extreme to another. I think the Uk went to extreme on PC stuff, and now we are paying for it, but the new laws that are put in place to try a deal with this stuff should also not swing to an extreme. They should be measured a thought out. Not just rushed through like the dangerous dog act etc
i think the whole thing could have been simplified ages ago. First you write a little booklet about how we live in UK. Then we write a historical little booklet about how we got to this way of thinking. Then, we test them on it, insist they speak English, especially if they're sermonising, and then we have them swear the oath of allegiance and they become british, Asian, British italian, whatever, and then we all play by the same rules. Then if they put a foot out of line, it's there, in print, you wanted in, you swore by the terms, you broke them, you're out.
You have to explain what a culture is and why it is before you can yell at folk for not knowing. And face it the UK was open to all and sundry and no one was informed of the basics for ages. Now is not too late.
So what's the definition of British Culture? Or should it be English Culture? ...or Scottish or Welsh... oops
i think the whole thing could have been simplified ages ago. First you write a little booklet about how we live in UK. Then we write a historical little booklet about how we got to this way of thinking. Then, we test them on it, insist they speak English, especially if they're sermonising, and then we have them swear the oath of allegiance and they become british, Asian, British italian, whatever, and then we all play by the same rules. Then if they put a foot out of line, it's there, in print, you wanted in, you swore by the terms, you broke them, you're out.
You have to explain what a culture is and why it is before you can yell at folk for not knowing. And face it the UK was open to all and sundry and no one was informed of the basics for ages. Now is not too late.
Wasn’t something like this done during colonisation…....