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these guys should have recieved jail time .

the man has a right to belong to the * church of satan * as well as any other church he chooses , and the govt( judge ) has a obligation to defend that right without predudice or personal opinion . t

If they had attacked a african american because he was differant from them the ACLU would have been all over the press demanding the stiffest sentance possible ..

It seems also the ACLU are not interested unless the person attacked is of the A/A race . and attacked by cuacasion .

fine policy for a charity based org that fights for the rights of All

sensitivity training indeed ..... would he have passed the same sentance had the youths attacked a christian cus he was differant or a A/A ??? .


articule from court tv copied below ......


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attack agree to plea deal

Paul Rotondi and Frank Scarpinito were facing hate crime charges for beating up a self-described member of the Church of Satan


NEW YORK — Two New York teens avoided jail time for attacking a self-proclaimed "card-carrying" member of the Church of Satan by pleading guilty Tuesday to second-degree assault as a hate crime.

Against the objections of prosecutors, Queens Supreme Court Justice James Griffin sentenced Paul Rotondi, 18, and Frank Scarpinito, 18, to 150 hours of community service and five years' probation for the Jan. 9 attack on Daniel Romano in Maspeth, Queens, a quiet suburb of New York City.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown recommended three and a half years in prison for the defendants, who faced potential 15-year sentences on five counts, including aggravated assault and use of a weapon in the supposedly Satanism-biased attacks.

"The defendants have ... acknowledged that they harassed, attacked and physically injured the victim because he was different from them," Brown said in a press release.



Prosecutors said that on Jan. 9 at about 230 p.m., the defendants called out "Hey, Satan," to Romano from a car before getting out and beating him with an ice scraper and metal pipe.

Romano sustained multiple bruises and lacerations and was treated for 12 stitches in the back of his head.

At the time of the assault, prosecutors noted, Romano was wearing black nail polish and an upside-down crucifix, and his hair was dyed blue.

Scarpinito's attorney, Richard Leff, concedes that his client attacked Romano, but denied the incident was motivated by anti-Satanism sentiment.

"The D.A. may call this a hate crime, but really, it's just a case of some kids acting dumb and beating up another kid who was a bit of an oddball," Leff said.

The charges cast unwanted media attention on the Manhattan-based Church of Satan, whose high priest, Peter Gilmore, attempted to distance Romano from the organization in several interviews.

Satanists consider themselves "the most formidable threat to those who would halt progress in the name of spirituality," according to a Web site, describing its members as "explorers on the untrodden paths of science, human motivation and mystery — all that is most truly occult."

Founded in 1966, the Church of Satan "holds individualism as one of its main values," according to its Web site, and cautions outsiders that they won't find group hugs "as part of the repertoire."

Conspicuously absent on the Web site are references to human sacrifices or other misperceptions of the religion that prosecutors say sparked the attack on Romano, who claims to hold the Church of Satan's "Red Card" of membership.

The defendants will begin their community service immediately and will return in front of Justice Griffin on Oct. 11, when he will formally vacate their plea as youth offenders and impose the five years' probation, considering their progress.

"The judge evidently thought that what they needed was sensitivity training," said Leff. "This way, they do good deeds and help out society a bit
I hate to say this but I agree with JohnA on this one.

/going to beat some Christians up now
I agree too. Assault is assault and needs punishing. However, I've never quite understood the whole "hate crime" thing. Whether you attacked someone because you "hate" them or otherwise, an attack is an attack. It seems like there is an extra little bit of protection for those who find themselves in a minority group over those who might just be in the wrong place at the wrong time and suffer and attack that is not classified as a "hate crime". We all deserve the same protection from the law.
I think a hate crime, is when you knowing attack someone of a different colour or race, simply because of xenophobic or rascist views. Society is guilty of painting different pictures of different races, and most people go out there and believe them, without pausing for a second to process that information, the older generation is guilty of that big time, and some of that has been passed on to their kids that should know better.
I agree with JohnA, this is a hate crime and should be treated like any other, the thugs should be serving jail time.

But where all the members of the Church of Satan, why are they not out on the streets, blocking the roads, protesting, shouting “No Justice No Peace!!” and singing "we shall over come"?

Glaswegian @ Sun 17 Jul, 2005 Wrote:
I think a hate crime, is when you knowing attack someone of a different colour or race, simply because of xenophobic or rascist views.


No hate crimes are by legal definition acts of violence carried out on a person cus of thier , race , religion . creed . or sexual orientation .

JohnA @ Sun 17 Jul, 2005 Wrote:

Glaswegian @ Sun 17 Jul, 2005 Wrote:
I think a hate crime, is when you knowing attack someone of a different colour or race, simply because of xenophobic or rascist views.


No hate crimes are by legal definition acts of violence carried out on a person cus of thier   , race , religion . creed  . or sexual orientation .


A hate crime knows no bounds....

boardsofcanada @ Mon 18 Jul, 2005 Wrote:
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A hate crime knows no bounds....

I agree some folks just HATE .
there but im also of the opinion you have to have some LEGAL definition to it . those catagories define it as seperate from a normal assault .

neutral never understood this hate crime stuff. A crime is a crime, no matter what
generated the crime in the first place. To me its a crime + one which is stupied.
Exactly the point I tried to make. Totally agree.
Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense too
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