Dick Cheney says that the Iraq war is in its "last throes..."
Either he can't do the maths (47 US soldiers killed during the first 15 days of this month alone) or Goebbels legacy lives on.
Sometimes, I really wonder about this country. Its people seem a bit too reliant on government to tell them what to think or do.
Get a backbone, FFS.
Next he'll be saying that major combat operations are over....goodness!
I was thinking the other day that the U.S military faces much the same dillemma as British troops once did in Northern Ireland.
The people they went in to help hate them and want them out. But if they leave there will likely be a bloodbath.
The idea that the war is in its last throes is fantasy. Their best hope has always been to continue to train and equip Iraqi security forces but it's going painfully slowly.
The largest suicide bomb that went off this morning killed a queue of about 20 Iraqi guys showing up for their first roll call as traffic cops! Poor bastards! Hardly an ad for the recruitment office.
"Rumsfeld said the insurgency could conceivably "go on for four, eight, 10, 12, 15 years, whatever…. We don't know. It is going to be a problem for the people of Iraq."
clicky goodness
8) Seems someone cannot add up. Look how long it took to get peace in NI and that just hanging in there. We are going to be there a long time. Just look at history.
And now the insurgents have shot down an Apache helicopter. That's a major blow to US morale. Those things are supposed to be pretty difficult to take down, especially from a shoulder launched surface-to-air missile.
An enemy that is getting stronger, smarter and can take the losses dished out to it is not to be trifled with.
"trifled with"
not heard that in yonks!
just imagine AK47's firing out custard whipped cream and jelly at iraqi's
Hey! If things are getting a bit shaky or going all wobbly in Iraq, I think I can mention trifles. P
Hey! If things are getting a bit shaky or going all wobbly in Iraq, I think I can mention trifles. :P
They're dying in their hundreds and thousands
I thank you.
you ought to be taken into custardy for that one.
Be careful a lady doesn't give you the finger.
"trifled with"
not heard that in yonks!
just imagine AK47's firing out custard whipped cream and jelly at iraqi's
Reminds me of that film Bugsy Malone.
I caught some radio talkshow hawk on CNN the other night who was going on about how she'd been out to Iraq recently and was appalled by the reporting that was coming out of there.
In her opinion, the major news sources are all wrong and we should all take what the Pentagon and particularly Bush/Rumsfeld say at face value. She also claimed the insurgency was in its last throes and lambasted the media for trying to turn this into another Tet Offensive.
Frankly, I thought she was completely off her rocker. With porous borders to defend, an enemy that is sending people into Iraq to train in urban operations/bomb making/cadre training and new and improvised explosive devices to contend with, she must have stayed safely in the Baghdad Green Zone.
I recommend a trip up to the Syrian border where single regiments attempt to seal off the border areas. It would be like putting one man every 35 miles.
Dan Savage, (he reminds me of Stephen Fry - except more gay and further too the left) who has been guest-blogging for Andrew Sullivan this week, summed up pretty much how I feel about the whole thing.
"Okay, I have a half an hour until my stint here as guest-blogger ends and I turn back into pumpkin. I wish I had more time to flesh this out, but I have to leave for the airport in a half an hour so I’m just going to have to blast through this. Forgive the stream of consciousness, the misspellings, and the rambling nature of this post.
Look, I was for this thing. I went out on limb and backed it. I wanted it to succeed. I still do.
But it’s time to declare victory and get the fuck out. Thanks to the incompetence of this administration, we can no longer avoid the “Q” word. It’s a quagmire. Period. Listening to Marketplace while I made dinner tonight, I learned that attacks on military convoys have gone up—doubled or tripled, I didn’t have a pen—in the last 12 months. How’d that happen? How many billions spent and how many Americans and Iraqis dead and yet things just keep going from bad to worse.
It seems that the more corners we’re told we’ve turned, the more walls we run into. And it just keeps coming back to manpower—“just enough troops to lose,” as Andrew says. There were never enough troops on the ground, and since this President never met a fuck-up that he wouldn’t pin a Medal of Freedom on, the same fuck-ups who mismanaged this thing from the start are still grinning at us on TV.
Does anyone in the White House know what the fuck they’re doing? One day it’s the war on terror, the next day it’s got a new name, then it’s back to the war on terror. We’re going to set a date to start reducing troop levels—no, wait, we’re not. Killing Saddam’s sons will change things for the better, no wait. Capturing Saddam will take the wind out of the sails of the insurgency. Now that everyone in Iraq has a purple finger, the insurgents are going to slink away. We clear a town of insurgents, but we don’t have the manpower to hold it, so we pull the troops out and—surprise—the insurgents take the town back. “Dead enders,” “last throes,” “losing stream.”
On and on it goes, and the news doesn’t change, or get any better. If it needs a new name perhaps we should call it the Groundhog’s Day War. Does anyone believe that the Iraqi Constitution—coming on Monday—is going to change a damn thing?
George Bush is good at one thing and one thing only winning elections and coasting along. Forget the maybe/maybe not criminal outing of a CIA agent—the prosecution of this war is this administration's signature crime. My friends who admonish me for not seeing this coming the run-up to the war are right, it pains me to admit. I have no longer have any faith—none whatever—in Bush, Rummy, Condi, Dick, or the rest of the jackasses running this show. And like all liberals who supported this thing, I'm angrier about George Bush's handling of this war than any liberal who opposed it. Liberal hawks wanted to win this more desperately than anyone else. But it’s time to bring down the curtain—why? Not because war I hate Bush so much that I want to see my country lose this war—I love my country—and not because I don’t care about the Iraqi people. I’m one of those liberals who backed the war for humanitarian reasons.
No, we should get out because, with the Bushies running the show for the next three years, we’re simply not going to win. It’s just go to drag on and on. This war, as I see it now, is either going to be nasty, brutal and short or nasty, brutal and long. I prefer nastry, brutal and short, if only because it will mean fewer Americans will die. And fewer Iraqis too, I suspect.
To paraphrase a war hero How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for an incompetent ?"
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