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SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - In one of the darkest corners of California, a state that prides itself on its liberal values, official racial segregation lives on, impacting hundreds of thousands of prison inmates.



When criminals arrive at a state prison, guards typically divide them by race to reduce what California's Department of Corrections calls "anti-social behavior."


Even when the races are mixed after an initial 60-day reception period, prisoners often interact mostly and sometimes exclusively with members of their own race.


In a state where school children sing paeans to civil rights icons such as Rosa Parks and Caesar Chavez, prison reform advocates argue prison segregation should end. The U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) is considering the issue.


"There are 49 other states in the nation that do not segregate on the basis of race," said Gloria Romero, California Senate majority leader who held hearings on the issue earlier this month. "To me, we should have integration as a policy. That's what (landmark court case) Brown v. Board of Education decided Race should not be the deciding factor in running a prison."


California prison officials integrate prisoners after assessing the risk they may pose.


"When someone comes to a prison and there is little or nothing known about them, because of the various gang and affiliation issues we have had in California, that's a shorthand way to know you're not going to have a problem in a reception center," said Peter Siggins, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites)'s legal affairs secretary,


"We segregate prisons more by gang than by race," he told Reuters. "It happens that often gangs break down along racial lines, but even among Latino prisoners or Hispanic American prisoners there are subsets within that racial group that would tell you that you'd have to be careful about northerners and southerners and housing them together."


The often liberal U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals reviewed the issue in 2003 and backed the existing policy.


"Given the admittedly high racial tensions and violence already existing with the CDC, there is clearly a common-sense connection between the use of race as the predominant factor in assigning cell mates for 60 days until it is clear how the inmate will adjust to his new environment," the court wrote.


The U.S. Supreme Court heard the case in November and is expected to issue its ruling later this year.


DIVISION IN THE PRISON YARD


A visitor to any California prison quickly notices that racial division continues long after the initial prisoner intake, a divide common in many U.S. prisons, experts say.


Roderick Hickman, secretary of the California Youth and Adult Correctional Agency overseeing California's 32 prisons and 163,000 inmates, says prisons only reflect a racially divided America.


"To have an expectation ... that the prison environment was going to stop people from associating with like members of their own group -- hey, I'd be asking for a Nobel Peace Prize if you'd get that done," he said. "If you go into the schools, if you go into our communities, people are somewhat divided into their own groups, so I think it is a big task to say that we're going to do something more in the prisons than people are doing in their own communities."


Experts say prison gangs such as the Mexican Mafia also exert pressure on prisoners to self-segregate.


"If you're a Hispanic and Hispanic gang members see you talking to a Caucasian or a black person, they'll beat the hell out of you, so what do you do?" said one prison official who did not want to be named. "In other words, some of the segregation is imposed by the prisoners."





"There seems to be more pressure in some races than others. In California there is more pressure, you know, by Hispanic gangs. In parts of Texas there is more pressure in the white Aryan Brotherhood-type gangs."

Legislator Romero says the initial forced separation encourages later self-segregation. "You're seeing to a large extent the outcome of what happens because the message from the very beginning, from day one when an inmate arrives is 'You're black, you go there,"' she said in an interview.

Terry Kupers, an Oakland psychiatrist and author of "Prison Madness the Mental Health Crisis Behind Bars, said California prisons could improve racial harmony by reducing overcrowding, improving programming and taking other measures.

"The violence crops up along racial lines, so if you are going to fight with people, you are going to fight with people of a different race," he said. "Where you cut down on the violence there isn't as much racial animosity."
So you disagree with this policy?
let me guess JohnA, you think this is a bad policy. Well, ya boo sucks to you. Living in a state where you only have one gang means you're missing out on a whole array of gangs. We have between the mexicans alone, and in San jose, safest city in the country, the Nortenos and the one that means south, then we have the east san Jose gang of hispanics and another bunch from somewhere else in the city, so within one race we have four different gangs.
Then we have various asian gangs, the poor black guys rarely get a look in these days, too busy with the rap and the bling.
We are also the state that busted guards for setting race against race and gang against gang in the prison yard for some bored guards, probably imported from god's own state.
Don't mess with us, we have the terminator, and my blood sugar is low, you could end up stretched across a buick Hunter Thompson fashion being taken to Vegas and forced to have a good time

Seriously though, What the F*** do you expect! You can't keep them from killing each other when they're free, surely you're not advocating suicide by jail guards bettng on who'll win wink
I think JohnA is simply pointing out the gap between the fantasy that portrays California as some hippy-dippy peacenik paradise where everyone lives in peace and harmony, hold hands and sing songs about rainbows and flowers and the harsh gritty reality of being in chokey. If I remember correctly, most federal prisons operate like this, whether officially or unofficially.

Funny though, I don't ever seem to remember hearing that this kind of thing happens in the Brit prisons.
But is it discrimination or ethnic preservation? Sexual discriminations is even more of a no-no than racial discrimination, yet there is little outcry about single-sex jails.....
Are mixed-gender chokeys even legal here?

/runs to check google... brb, yo.
There was me thinking that Massachusetts was the most liberal state roll
i don't get it. California was the hippy dippy peace loving flower giving state back in the 60's. Boy has the label stuck.
Folk who live here know that all those hippy dippy peeps have moved north to Oregon.
Over to you Pilgrim. D
Here you are John....

http//www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/02/23/high_court_curbs_state_prison_segregation/
"The lawsuit was brought by Garrison S. Johnson, a black inmate in prison since 1987 for murder, robbery and assault. He contended the policy violated his 14th Amendment right to equal protection, saying he was constantly humiliated by the segregation after each of his five prison transfers."

Awww poor baby feels humiliated. At least he's ****ing alive to feel humiliated. Wonder how the victim's family feels about this? evil

/hope he gets shivved first day out in the unsegregated yard.
Even when it was hippy-dippy Ronald Reagan was the governor!!

Rob S is right Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the U.S.

California is often most adventurous at trying new ideas. And it loves its proposition system.

annie Wrote:
i don't get it. California was the hippy dippy peace loving flower giving state back in the 60's. Boy has the label stuck.
Folk who live here know that all those hippy dippy peeps have moved north to Oregon.
Over to you Pilgrim. :D


They're all grown up now, wealthy, don't like smog (probably aren't smoking anything nowadays either) and trying desperately to "fit in".

Politically though, they do a lot better up here with no danger of a conservative government in the foreseeable future.

Rob S Wrote:



mmm thats one of the reasons i didnt give an opion discrimination is discrimination however its packaged .

but does this prison system protect lives ..of course it does :) ... but then you can make a argument for segregation in public life

***as those over there might hurt those (over here ) so lets keep them seperate ****


lthe law is one thing the reality of life is another .

VRB had it almost right IS california the liberal state it has always been thought to be ,? some of the states with the highest prison population have this system in place in there prisons . they have the oblication of keeping the inmates in good health and free from danger.

Well it seems that the case has been referred back to a lower court. The feds found themselves uncomfortably siding with the ACLU. Ain't politics great. Who'd have thunk it. George and the ACLU. Let's all join hands and get along roll

annie Wrote:
Well it seems that the case has been referred back to a lower court. The feds found themselves uncomfortably siding with the ACLU. Ain't politics great. Who'd have thunk it. George and the ACLU. Let's all join hands and get along :roll:


I think the ACLU is one of the most greatly misrepresented organizations in America.
Fux News and crackpot conservatives label it Liberal because it supports causes they don't like and that label gets taken up by everyone else without thought.

Yet in truth the ACLU campaigns for civil rights based on the US Constitution - it opposes parayer in schools because such an activity is unconstitutional not because it is some rabid secular anti christian group.

The real test of any group or individual engaed in civil and human rights work - or the law - is whether you would stand up for the rights of your enemy - even when that enemy attacks you routinely.

The ACLU passes this test frequently - most publicly when it supported Rush Limbaugh's right to privacy last year.

That the Bushies ended up on the same side as the ACLU hopefully not surprising - even they have to get it right sometimes, and sometimes they even support the Constitution.

And yes, I am a member (of the ACLU not the Bush Administration :lol: :P )

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